EVE General Discussion

What about mutual wars?

Pipa, your pointless trolling is really obvious now. I've never seen such backwards thinking as this post. Its not even a good troll to just say completely moronic things that aren't based in truth at all, and all you are doing is causing people who are superior and smarter than you to come in and correct you. I suggest you try harder, or get a life. 50 posts a day average for the past 3 weeks?

So.... no rebuttal then. Good.

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Ill explain it simply so even you can understand. There is supposed to be risk vs reward in this game and currently can flippers take zero risk targeting newer players. This is getting fixed soon with crimewatch. Its unrealistic to expect newer players to have people protecting them while they are mining in their frigates, that is just stupid.

A jetcan is not only a trash can, it serves as a storage facility for ore for noobs. A newer player takes a risk to save time by using a jetcan, risk vs reward. However the canflipper that picks on noobs, doesn't risk anything because he makes sure there is no potential for threats, the can flippers . Now that anyone can attack flippers, the risk vs reward applies to both parties. That is just how EVE is. l2p and adapt like a real player instead of crying "PVP IS BROKAN!" everytime the game gets a little more challenging. ,Its about time, thank you CCP.

CCP has a fairly clear definition of a newbie deserving of protection. That is: Someone in a Newbie system (where can flipping is banned).
It's not unrealistic to expect new players to find newbie friendly corps to join (there are plenty).

So you're saying that a canflipper does run some risk, but mitigates it by limiting his target selection (and thus potential reward)? Just like the newbie miner can mitigate his risk of canflipping by using secured containers, limiting his area selection and potential reward? A couple of GSCs can easily keep up with a mining frig's output. More importantly, the newbie can find locations that aren't frequented by canflippers.

Crimewatch means (for the canflipping issue*), that the newly involved third party runs no risk, because he's able to bring anything he wants to the table, while the ebil canflipper's stuck with whatever Billy the third party pointed him in. You're just shifting the riskless PVP over one level.

I never said "PVP is Broken," and I'd like you to find that quote and link it if you want to attribute it to me.

*Crimewatch is giant, unneeded buff to HS carebears in plenty of other ways as well.

If you're casual/new and want protection, work in starter systems (where can fipping is banned), or use GSCs (which can't be flipped), or find a corp that accepts casual/new players.

So you want a HS profession that provides risk free PVP whenever you want? Because you're upset that a HS profession you don't like has (as you claim) access to risk free PVP whenever you want? Okay...

Crimewatch will be terrible for HS PVP, screwing with 1v1s, Can Flipping, and Suicide Ganking (at least, for profit ganks).

Nope. Look into the crimewatch mechanics. People shooting at suspects can only be shot at by the suspect they are shooting at. No calling in backup for the suspects.

Canflippers (even if we accept your claim that they're EVE Criminals) are not griefers. CCP's made that very clear.

Defenders already have every advantage. Starting with the absolute ability to decline the fight.

Again, you're just excited about a risk-free PvP source.

Finally [insert rest of my last post here] since you feel like skipping most of my post just because it's inconvenient for you to rebut.

I remember when there was real piracy in lowsec.


Is the approach that CCP is planning on a bit ham-handed? I would have to agree.


But we also have to admit that the way kills are gained in this game also got ham-handed.


It's kind of like that law in most US states for hunters that states you cannot have a magazine exceeding 5 rounds. Why is that? Many people wonder. It's to discourage people from going yank and crank on a running deer after they miss their first shot. This is hazardous.

My point is, that law exists because it happened too many times.


Low sec and gate camping may have once been viable. I remember lowsec in better days. But, like hunters with 30 round magazines doing the yank and crank, the gate camps have departed from "piracy" and degenerated into "kill everything that moves".


Lowsec has become like the parking lot around the Mall in the movie "Dawn of the Dead". Nice and quiet, until some living flesh shows up.

What's the point? There is no point in that.

So the real trouble with lowsec is that it has become pointless. It had a point, piracy, back when it was possible. But it's now the parking lot full of zombies, just as AFK as high sec miners until "the call goes up" so 8 Hurricanes and the sensor boosted intie can go after that T1 cruiser.

Did the pirates in actual history (earth) kill everything that moved? The Carribean would have been a wasteland if they did that. There would be no investement and trade in the region.

Back in they day, the "pirates" didn't bother with noobs - not much. Sometimes you got blapped. But I missioned all over low in my noob days. The idea back then was, let the little nooblet earn his wings, and then someday when he's doing that 15KM gauntlet to the gate (perchance no WTZ BM) , the little nooblet is a big boy now, and DOES know better, or will in a moment.


Now it's "someone jumped in!!!1! lock lock woot get the pod get the pod LOL NOOB GBTW lozer phag!!1!" pfft

Mature people, knowing all of the rules of engagement to such people, still chose not to have their time sullied by the presence of such mindset. I can probably get across the trailer park and fight better than everybody I meet, but it's still a fight on a short bus where everybody is going to the same special little school house.

Why bother?

I gave up gates. I use WH to get where I want to go. Just spent 2 months in deep null. Got a hole back to k space in lowsec. WH spat me into the system, and here comes the brigade, wondering how I got there and a small fleet jumping back and forth through the one gate they thought I was going to use (as if I was in a hurry - why are people so damned stupid?). 10 people in T2 and T3 trying to catch my T1 Cyclone (yet it survived null, alone, with scratches).

Then I remember the time someone tried to station camp me with a Nyx....

They didn't get me, but it still feels pathetic. Makes me wonder what kind of game I am playing, and with what kind of people.

The real pirates of this game are long gone. Maybe the OP is a holdout from this era and has a legitimate gripe. CCP may be trying to fix a symptom, not a problem in itself. But we already have years of countless "low is broken" threads that appear to be forgotten anyway.

A sorrry situation all around.

The idea of SUSPECT flagged pilots getting shot by LOW SEC gate guns is ******* stupid.


Does that mean that HI SEC suspects get shot by gate guns too?


It not, then the LOW sec ones shouldn't shoot suspects either.


Completely awful.

Maybe highsec suspects should be shot by gate guns. Just because you don't trigger CONCORD doesn't mean the gate guns should give you a free pass.

Good idea !