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How will crimewatch changes "break" can flipping?

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Adalynne Rohks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-08-15 19:15:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Adalynne Rohks wrote:
Well... then why would miners be any different?


Smart miner wouldn't undock in Tengu...

Pirate in Tengu can always tank miner in Tengu even with equal skills.


Huh...? What???

Have I entered the twilight zone, here?

Smart miner, won't undock in Tengu, but smart pirate will........

So when a miner and a pirate are equally matched, the pirate wins by default?

I is confuzed
Butzewutze
Doomheim
#182 - 2012-08-15 19:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Butzewutze
Adalynne Rohks wrote:

I is confuzed


U nont getin et? Piwat is lawaz the betta! Pirate
Alara IonStorm
#183 - 2012-08-15 19:20:59 UTC
Adalynne Rohks wrote:

So when a miner and a pirate are equally matched, the pirate wins by default?

F**kin East German Judges.

The pirate did not stick that landing, I don't care what anyone says.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#184 - 2012-08-15 19:24:03 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Ok so can someone explain to me how with the new mechanics you can gank and loot a freighter after Crimewatch 2.0 with out losing your freighter?


OMG, you mean I won't have to put in any effort whatsoever defending my corp's supply chains?

FTFY

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-08-15 19:41:02 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:


I hope the above illustrates how clearly care bears need to HTFU and educate themselves, instead of CCP implementing 'CRIMEWATCH' and effectively killing a whole (enjoyable IMHO) avenue to ad-hoc pvp in hisec....




they arehn't killing it, they are just making the douchebag lifestyle involve a bit more risk. Better cry on forums now.


Haha, how many times did you make three poor choices and lose ships because of it? Love killing the dumb. To let them live is a disservice to Eve.

Hope to see you soon, or at least before crimewatch is implemented.

Auar
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#186 - 2012-08-15 19:49:25 UTC
Auar wrote:

Haha, how many times did you make three poor choices and lose ships because of it? Love killing the dumb. To let them live is a disservice to Eve.

Hope to see you soon, or at least before crimewatch is implemented.

Auar



I think it is amazing, that all these canflippers cannot back their claims of targetting only bitter vets, by posting on their Canflipping chars.

Only one has posted on a canflipper and guess what. The victim was a month old. Now what did the canflipper fly I hear you cry? of all things, he was flying an Ishkur.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2012-08-15 19:51:16 UTC
Why are we still talking about can flipping? That's so minor compared to the other issue at hand.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#188 - 2012-08-15 19:54:27 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why are we still talking about can flipping? That's so minor compared to the other issue at hand.



Well considering the post is about crimewatch breaking canflipping. I think it is safe to say that is what this thread is about.

Feel free to not bother coming to this thread again if it bothers you that much.


o7
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#189 - 2012-08-15 19:55:44 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why are we still talking about can flipping? That's so minor compared to the other issue at hand.



Well considering the post is about crimewatch breaking canflipping. I think it is safe to say that is what this thread is about.

Feel free to not bother coming to this thread again if it bothers you that much.


o7

I'm coming into the thread because I'm bothered by the fact that people are ignoring the real issue.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Adalynne Rohks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2012-08-15 19:57:22 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
I think it is amazing, that all these canflippers cannot back their claims of targetting only bitter vets, by posting on their Canflipping chars.

Only one has posted on a canflipper and guess what. The victim was a month old. Now what did the canflipper fly I hear you cry? of all things, he was flying an Ishkur.


What do you call a month old pirate with mostly wasted drone skills making a living off bittervet mission runners' uncollected loot and salvage?
Auar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-08-15 20:14:08 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Auar wrote:

Haha, how many times did you make three poor choices and lose ships because of it? Love killing the dumb. To let them live is a disservice to Eve.

Hope to see you soon, or at least before crimewatch is implemented.

Auar



I think it is amazing, that all these canflippers cannot back their claims of targetting only bitter vets, by posting on their Canflipping chars.

Only one has posted on a canflipper and guess what. The victim was a month old. Now what did the canflipper fly I hear you cry? of all things, he was flying an Ishkur.


Never claimed to target bitter vets. I flip occasionally and i am sure they are mostly young characters dumb enough to take the bait. Just so you don't have to look it up I flip in a Hawk. I think that's a worthy risk considering I am opening aggression up to entire corps.

If you think it's a no risk game (flipping) then go out and try it.

Auar
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#192 - 2012-08-15 21:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Butzewutze wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Equus wrote:
To all the people touting that all the miner/missioner has to do is go dock and ship up, how often does the flipper really wait for this to happen? I wager the majority, note, I didn't say all, of flippers in this situation will warp away, especially if a real combat ship comes back.

The fact is, while the miner/missioner has the ability and the right to shoot back, if they are like my industry alt, they are trained for fitting and flying industrial ships, and science and manufacturing. He really has nothing to ship up to.

So again to all you high-sec PvPer's, and for this instance I am really using that term loosely, how about this for a solution, as minor as the crime may be you did STEAL from a person, this is a crime, and should be punishable. I agree Joe Blow back at the station who never saw a thing shouldn't be able to shoot you, but how is this, everyone on grid who witnessed the event can shoot.

There is no GCC or any of that, but hired mercs, friends, and allies will have the ability to protect each other and shoot you, should they be on hand to witness the crime. Now a non-combat pilot can hire help and have friends to watch his back. Corps who specialize in industry can hire mercs to guard their mining operations, etc. etc. There is no reason that people should have to be in the same corporation to protect each other.


You're so wrong it's not even funny. There's ofcourse different kinds of can flippers so I can only speak for my (former) self.

- I WANT you to have multiple corp members in local, preferably all over 6 months old, the older the better as that means they'll fly bigger and more expensive ships and get more cocky
- I WANT you to have "security" in the belt, generally that means I'll get shot at
- I don't CARE for your hauler or retriever kill, they mean nothing to me as they have no value and thus can't be ransomed
- I WANT you to come back in something good because I know full well that, being a miner, you'll be **** at using it and that means easy target worth a lot of isk, resulting is nice ransoms
- there's many ways miners can avoid being can flipped, even when they're jetcanning! All it takes is some basic understanding of the game mechanics, some ingenuity and some ******* EFFORT. It happen fairly often that I just can't even GET the jet can or can't entice the previous owner to do something stupid, when that happens I wish him good luck and go my merry way to find someone who IS a moron and will do moronic dumb ****
- there's many ways a corp can protect themselves after being can flipped and kill the can flipper in a fight. (hint, most of the dumb carebears fly caldari, it's not very difficult to put a fitted blackbird in your Orca now is it)


I have no problem in stating that it's easy kills most of the time because it is but then again, gatecampers also want easy kills, blobbers in 0.0 also want easy kills and pirates in low sec, guess what... they want easy kills. The difference is that miners/bears whine about how unfair it is and how CCP should do something about it, while people who actually understand EVE point at the options said miner has and go "you have the tools for the job, it's up to you to make it happen".


Quoted for frickin truth! When i did canflips then i usually hoped for something expensive and a fight like 1 against 5! Twisted

You hit the nail on the head... its a like a 15 minute private war against another corp (if they decide to participate) and with that a playground for smallscale pvp.




funny that you say you hope for pvp instead of just going out and getting it like a normal pvper. in reality, you are picking on noob corps, probably because you are awful and know you can't handle anything else. Stupidity isn't lack of knowledge of can flipping mechanics, stupidity is thinking lack of knowledge = stupidity . If anyone is inferior, its the can flipper. Normal pvpers won't stoop so low, they prefer a challenge and targets that actually fight back. Finally CCP is doing something about riskless d-bag piracy. Deal with it.

Personally I'm very glad CCP is finally adding some risk to the douchebag lifestyle, can flippers and suicide gankers had it way too easy before. Essentially zero risk for these scrubs who beat their chest over shooting fish in a barrel. The river of tears over the fact that a little more risk is going to be involved in can flipping is hilarious. Awful players left and right throwing up their hands and claiming EVE pvp is ruined or turning into WoW. LOL.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2012-08-15 21:22:29 UTC
"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#194 - 2012-08-15 21:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."


hahahah! so true are your tears and exactly what I was saying. You scrubs and awful shtt-pvpers have had it far too easy in EVE. About time CCP started to change pvp into less of a joke. Good time for me to start playing.

Cry more baddies.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2012-08-15 21:36:12 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."


hahahah! so true are your tears and exactly what I was saying. You scrubs and awful shtt-pvpers have had it far too easy in EVE. About time CCP started to change pvp into less of a joke. Good time for me to start playing.

Cry more baddies.

I'm a **** PVPer, but I don't can flip. Feel free to check my killboard stats.
My point is unchanged.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Frying Doom
#196 - 2012-08-15 21:39:53 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."


hahahah! so true are your tears and exactly what I was saying. You scrubs and awful shtt-pvpers have had it far too easy in EVE. About time CCP started to change pvp into less of a joke. Good time for me to start playing.

Cry more baddies.

I agree completely.

Make PvP less of a joke

Let people arm freighters a lot.

Then PvP can be less about clubbing baby seals and more about sharks fighting each other.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#197 - 2012-08-15 21:43:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
"Let's get rid of easy targets, because easy targets don't exist in other games."


hahahah! so true are your tears and exactly what I was saying. You scrubs and awful shtt-pvpers have had it far too easy in EVE. About time CCP started to change pvp into less of a joke. Good time for me to start playing.

Cry more baddies.

I'm a **** PVPer, but I don't can flip. Feel free to check my killboard stats.
My point is unchanged.


its not a good point though.. EVE probably has some of the easiest targets of any mmorpg, too easy imo, and what pirates are preying on is lack of knowledge in a popular game, not lack of skill. Awful players naturally have gravitated to this game, having gotten shat on in other, more skill demanding pvp games. About time CCP made the game a little more challenging. It was pretty ridiculous how you can go around suicide ganking and flipping cans, shooting fish in a barrel with potentially zero risk.

The last bastion of "baby seal clubbing- the game" is being taken away and the awful teenage-angsty scrubs who came to this game to do just that are tearing their hair out amid a river of delicious tears. Cry more baddies, and deal with it.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#198 - 2012-08-15 22:12:50 UTC
highsec ... full of cowards.
(cowards in a game ! grats!)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2012-08-15 22:14:40 UTC
Nerf Burgerits wrote:
not a good point though.. EVE probably has some of the easiest targets of any mmorpg, too easy imo, and what pirates are preying on is lack of knowledge in a popular game, not lack of skill. Awful players naturally have gravitated to this game, having gotten shat on in other, more skill demanding pvp games. About time CCP made the game a little more challenging. It was pretty ridiculous how you can go around suicide ganking and flipping cans, shooting fish in a barrel with potentially zero risk.


I agree ... and i'm -10. :)

Glorious will be the day cowards won't point me anymore and then run away
because i can shoot them ... simply because there won't be any cowards left.

I love the new crimewatch !
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#200 - 2012-08-15 22:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Nerf Burger wrote:
funny that you say you hope for pvp instead of just going out and getting it like a normal pvper. in reality, you are picking on noob corps, probably because you are awful and know you can't handle anything else. Stupidity isn't lack of knowledge of can flipping mechanics, stupidity is thinking lack of knowledge = stupidity . If anyone is inferior, its the can flipper. Normal pvpers won't stoop so low, they prefer a challenge and targets that actually fight back. Finally CCP is doing something about riskless d-bag piracy. Deal with it.

Personally I'm very glad CCP is finally adding some risk to the douchebag lifestyle, can flippers and suicide gankers had it way too easy before. Essentially zero risk for these scrubs who beat their chest over shooting fish in a barrel. The river of tears over the fact that a little more risk is going to be involved in can flipping is hilarious. Awful players left and right throwing up their hands and claiming EVE pvp is ruined or turning into WoW. LOL.


Quoted for truth. Cool

Changes to sentries, and flag mechanics, will seperate the crap PVPer from the good. The Pro-scanning, "hunting you down and killing you" elite, from the "sitting on a gate blasting everything" noobs, and the "can-flipping and suicide ganking" cowards. All those crappy pvp-wannabies threatening to unsub, please, go ahead. Your selfish flow of easy kills have finally been recognised as something that is harming eve's continued growth and development. Your quest for easy, risk-free kills has made low-sec a wasteland.

Eve is not a game where things are delivered on a silver platter. I aplaud the real PVPers, confident and experienced enough to adapt to these changes, and continue to own all that stand before them. They have already learned how to actually PVP. They recognise the duel benifits on increased low-sec traffic, and are excited to see this wasteland become viable again. They want people in low-sec, they want to see them explode. They aren't crying about the fact that they won't be able to shoot them the moment the step through the door. They're aren't crying that their easy risk-free methods and one-sided fights are about to disappear. They know they're is going to be more targets, and they know how to find them.

The only people crying are the skill-less players that are used to their risk-free ganks, and cowardly camps. If their target didn't just come to them, as usuall, then they wouldn't have a clue what to do. Other than whine and unsub of course.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.