EVE Information Portal

Disclaimer to start <- Cap pilot, not a Supercap pilot. Still gonna comment because I killed supercaps and was killed by supercaps. That is qualification to comment.

Seems like a set of decent nerfs to me. Supercaps online had to end.

As to fighter nerf being stealth carrier nerf, so what. You can still field them or other drones to fend off subcaps, it's just that you will have to decide what drones are appropriate. Fighters against supercaps and other caps; Heavy drones or sentries against a BS blob; Medium drones against . . . Carrier blobbage not an available (if less effective) step down tactic, might have been a worry by CCP as to why they nerfed fighters for carriers as well.

Regardless, I think the real consternation being voiced here is that carrier fighters will no longer be anom clearing machines. Seems ok to me. Always struck me as stupid to bring capitals into anoms. Plenty of BSs or other subcap whether solo or with second account repping that can clear anoms.

Titan tracking or remote tracking receiving at least does need a nerf as well. Good to see that Tallest is "considering" it again for the upcoming rebalance patch.

Shield hp whinage? As a Nidhoggur pilot who could theoretically be in a Hel I'll say I don't care. This mechanic affects all shield ships of all sizes. On the flip side you see plenty of shield fleets. Shields do get passive regen. Shield transfers operate at beginning of cycle. Two things armor lacks.

This issue has been haggled over at many levels of ships. The answer has always been that the tanks are different. Active shield implants exist but no active armor rep implants, differing hp boost, differing cap efficency, shield boost amps but no armor, shield regen but armor does not regen etc etc. Nothing new here. Having a differntial nerf would necessitate a wholesale change to the tanking mechanisms for all ships. I don't blame CCP for not addressing the issues here. If, and I say if, it were to be viewed a problem, it would be one hell of a game alteration to take on and not miss some unintended consequences.

All in all it seems like a good set of nerfs. Naked supercap blobbage will disappear. Subcaps and regular caps will have varying importance again. WIth the supercap proliferation it had to happen. I'm sure lots of people will come up with the next preferred fleet tactics and I doubt supercaps will be relgated to not or hardly ever being used (unlike some other ship classes such as eaf and af). Oh, because your ship cost so much in comparison it should remain op. Sorry nope.

The consolation for those unhappy is that this process of balancing will never end. Some day you may get a re-buff. Relax, you had a pretty long ride as op. Adapt to the change.

And next time you give them an additional 5 chocolates ending up in 15, and then 20 and then 30 and then all of a sudden you have 3 very fat kids with diabetes that can't even get out of their beds. How is that good?

I guess this is going to be like everything else CCP does with the game. They are going to start chasing people off the game. Why would anyone both training these ships anymore. They won't even make a decent paperweight.

CCP hates CCCP

Long live the fighters...

oh... send me isk... beatchs.

^this.

I'm not quite sure why in an effort to balance 0.0 blob warfare you decided to nerf regular carriers. Carriers that are used by players who have no interest in large 0.0 PVP at all. It ruins people who use carriers/fighters for missions, it ruins people who use carriers/fighters for lowsec/small engagement PVP and it's an unnecessary nerf. If fighter-bombers are just for supercaps, then why make fighters unable to hit battleships? You've esentially made carriers obsolete for 0.0 warfare and ruined them for everything else.

Make the nerf to the Supercarriers as others have suggested and not to the fighters. This is an absurd change that needs to be looked at. You're not just messing with 0.0 warfare here.

1. Titans XL weapons can pulverise battleship fleets easily.. doomsday or not, fit right for instance they can one shot a moving battleship or a stationary BC whilst getting reps and remote effects.

Meanwhile supercapitals move and hence are difficult to hit properly by dreads in siege today.

2.

... so you are effectively nerfing all dread's minor protection (when the issue was with supercaps) Tracking in siege needs to be improved. Phoenix is good as it is. They also need a HP boost whilst in siege.

3. Fighters are now made utterly pointless. Fighters should have a larger signature and be vulnerable to subcap damage but they should be able to hit battleships.

4. Siege and triage should be the thing to balance all caps, if you want to use the special functions you need to siege them but if you do it makes you vulnerable to capacitor warfare and of potentially running out of Stront. Siege and Triage also help prevent people using remote effects to boost tracking locking and repping and reduces lock speed and tracking and stops them for 5 minutes.

- Titans should have to enter siege mode to gain damage bonuses on weapons and doomsday. Doomsday should be signature radius based.

- Super carriers should have to enter triage mode to be able to launch or use bombers or use the ECM burst ability. They need a reduced drone bay of 250m3 and a maximum bandwidth of 125m3.

- Only fighters/ bombers should go in the fighter/bombers bay and they should only be able to carry two wings of fighters and one wing of bombers.

This then also requires player skill as you need to cycle siege on and off and organise/cycle reps in a fleet.

5. super cap resistance to EW
100% resistance is somewhat overpowered and I would like to see them be at least slightly vulnerable to some forms of EW except when in siege/ triage.

Huge nerf for supercaps , I consulted the ole crystal ball and it says in the near future it see's some subscriptions being canceled ie..supercap pilots . who would now want a supercap 20-60 bil ship that cant defend itself except against other supercaps . guess ccp hasnt seen the welp fleet kill 2 super carrier in 2 minutes or so . i suggest you make the supercarriers dockable so they can atleast do somthing constructive with those toons..

o/

One of the problems that has not been discussed at all is that supercaps represent the end-game of EVE (currently).

Nerf them, and you nerf the entire game.

I would be less worried about the changes if we had a clear vision from CCP about the new EVE endgame.

to help the carrier tear - add bonus to fighers +5% per level damage +5 to sig for carriers only