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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#701 - 2012-06-01 08:12:10 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes it would be hard to carebear you would have to pay attention.

The response window for carebears are cut down from 15 seconds or so (where tons of people are still caught), to 4, and you're still going to say that it won't depopulate nullsec even further?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Sainrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#702 - 2012-06-01 08:12:59 UTC
YES! removes it all! D-Scan for life!
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#703 - 2012-06-01 08:18:04 UTC
OP makes 4chan look decent Pirate

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Frying Doom
#704 - 2012-06-01 08:31:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Yes it would be hard to carebear you would have to pay attention.

The response window for carebears are cut down from 15 seconds or so (where tons of people are still caught), to 4, and you're still going to say that it won't depopulate nullsec even further?

Once again

So are the pirates going to magically know you are there?
Or do you think the probes might give them away to someone paying attention?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#705 - 2012-06-01 08:34:12 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So are the pirates going to magically know you are there?

Nope. They have time (and cloaks) on their side.

Frying Doom wrote:
Or do you think the probes might give them away to someone paying attention?

Probes? You need probes? You don't know about the scanner which is built into the ship?

I see. That explains things.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#706 - 2012-06-01 08:42:14 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So are the pirates going to magically know you are there?

Nope. They have time (and cloaks) on their side.

Frying Doom wrote:
Or do you think the probes might give them away to someone paying attention?

Probes? You need probes? You don't know about the scanner which is built into the ship?

I see. That explains things.

I'm sorry I missed the patch where the D-scan covers an entire system or is life so easy for you in Null you have never had to use it.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#707 - 2012-06-01 08:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
oh man
trying to lecture about how intel gathering in eve works
then this
Frying Doom
#708 - 2012-06-01 08:50:56 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
oh man
trying to lecture about how intel gathering in eve works
then this

I'm not even sure what you are saying.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#709 - 2012-06-01 08:53:45 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I'm sorry I missed the patch where the D-scan covers an entire system or is life so easy for you in Null you have never had to use it.

I don't think even a quad facepalm would cover this. You actually do not know how sanctums etc are found? Like, seriously?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#710 - 2012-06-01 08:56:52 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I'm sorry I missed the patch where the D-scan covers an entire system or is life so easy for you in Null you have never had to use it.

I don't think even a quad facepalm would cover this. You actually do not know how sanctums etc are found? Like, seriously?

Oh so you mean if you want to do something where you gain extra reward you might have to take extra risk?

Like people piloting hulks do.

Oh poor you. I couldn't think of a way to make that drip with more sarcasm sorry.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#711 - 2012-06-01 09:00:57 UTC
my god...
Frying Doom
#712 - 2012-06-01 09:02:21 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
my god...

No my ego isn't that big.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#713 - 2012-06-01 09:03:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I'm sorry I missed the patch where the D-scan covers an entire system or is life so easy for you in Null you have never had to use it.

I don't think even a quad facepalm would cover this. You actually do not know how sanctums etc are found? Like, seriously?

Oh so you mean if you want to do something where you gain extra reward you might have to take extra risk?

Like people piloting hulks do.

Oh poor you. I couldn't think of a way to make that drip with more sarcasm sorry.

You really, really don't know, do you?

Here, let me help you: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly

The important paragraph is the one aptly positioned under "Scanning".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#714 - 2012-06-01 09:12:47 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I'm sorry I missed the patch where the D-scan covers an entire system or is life so easy for you in Null you have never had to use it.

I don't think even a quad facepalm would cover this. You actually do not know how sanctums etc are found? Like, seriously?

Oh so you mean if you want to do something where you gain extra reward you might have to take extra risk?

Like people piloting hulks do.

Oh poor you. I couldn't think of a way to make that drip with more sarcasm sorry.

You really, really don't know, do you?

Here, let me help you: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly

The important paragraph is the one aptly positioned under "Scanning".

Yes it says
"Scanning

Cosmic anomalies can be found without any extra modules and skills by using the on-board scanner equipped in every ship other than capsules. The on-board scanner scans nearby space within 64 AU for cosmic anomalies and return the result after 10 seconds of scanning. One can also utilize scan probes to find anomalies, only one probe is required for anomalies and it will provide a warp-in point for any anomalies within its scan range, making it easier to find all anomalies within a system. Please consult the Scanning Guide for detailed instructions on using scan probes. "

So if you are using a anom and are gaining more rewards than mining or ratting you are getting a greater reward. Following me so far? I hope so. Therefore your ability to be found easier would constitute a greater risk. Understand that?
So Just like Hulk pilots in Hi-sec who gain a greater reward from the bonuses of a hulk they have a greater risk because there are bounties on the ships.

Or are you saying Hi-sec should have a risk vs reward system and Null sec should be immune from it?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#715 - 2012-06-01 09:25:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
"Greater risk"? You mean "greater risk" as in "I'm running a greater risk of losing my ship by being undocked, because if I'm caught in it I'm most likely to die"? I think that's called "being in nullsec".

But then again, you have absolutely no clue about any of this, so I'll repeat myself: the worst case response time you have before someone who aren't complete **** tackles you, if local is removed and replaced with a mechanic which relies on dscan, will be 4 seconds, down from at least 10-15. What effect do you think this will have on the nullsec population?

PS: Nullsec isn't immune to the risk/reward system, and if you actually, uniroincally thinks this, then that's just something in a long, long line of things you're wrong about which we've seen proof of.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#716 - 2012-06-01 09:37:14 UTC
Moved from 'EVE General Discussion".

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Frying Doom
#717 - 2012-06-01 09:42:31 UTC
Well CCP noticed and moved it to the trash heap.

Until next argument Zim and Nicolo da'Vicenza and others as always good to argue a point.

That one even managed to get quite big till it was killed.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#718 - 2012-06-01 09:42:54 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
"Greater risk"? You mean "greater risk" as in "I'm running a greater risk of losing my ship by being undocked, because if I'm caught in it I'm most likely to die"? I think that's called "being in nullsec".


When I started playing there was an alliance called Initiative Alliance, my alts were in a corp inside it. As a newbie I happily navigated and did my stuff with absolutely no interference till we moved out (the CEO quit the game due to RL issues).
There was a chat to read, if some guys managed to slip past bubbled gates they'd post about it there and everybody had 5-10 minutes to finish their business and dock.

Then I went to NPC 0.0 on this character and there I also did not have expecially insormountable problems farming anoms and L4.

About twice a week I had to take my turn and sit at a gate for 4 hours watching for inbound hostiles, which was actually welcome because it was boring to tears 95% of the days.

In fact guess what, boredom is the 0.0 defining keyword and a potent motivator to organize events in other secs. If it was so active, compelling and challenging gameplay out there, then there'd not be the time nor resources to dedicate manpower in other EvE locations.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#719 - 2012-06-01 09:53:32 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:


So if you are using a anom and are gaining more rewards than mining or ratting you are getting a greater reward. Following me so far?


Nothing good comes from following you.

It already has greater risk, because concord isn't there to punish gankers, bubbles and bombs are available, and the rats themselves are battleships and can kill you on there own.

Oh, and supercaps can drop on you at any moment.

And of course, never mind the already plentiful solo bombers and small gangs that prey on players all day long. You know, the sort of activity Frying Doom wishes he could do, but can't, unless he is using a covops cloak and there is no local.


And it's not like empire miners don't have the option to bug out as soon as they see someone in local. Its like some bizzarro world justice, since highsec miners think they should be safe mining while not paying attention to the game, nullsec players must be limited to d-scan.

Further proof that Frying Doom's crusade to "improve" a region he doesn't even live in is nothing more than a vendetta.

Yes CCP, punish the goons. Take our stuff away. Make us live in gimped wormholes and force us to turn the wheel on some "patrol" mechanism to maintain our sov. Frying Doom assures of that it will just work itself out and be awesome somehow.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#720 - 2012-06-01 10:19:34 UTC
So we won't get an answer to whether Frying Doom thinks it'll depopulate null or not. Oh well, as with everything else which has been uncovered of his arguments, if we assume the opposite of what'll actually happen, we'll get his position, which means if he'd actually answered that question, he'd say "no, it'll make all of hisec flock to nullsec".

vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat