Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just my opinion: but if you force almost everyone out of high sec you would kill Eve. The sandbox idea DOES include casual game play in high sec where you can chat with your friends and corpmates.
Yes we all understand that the rage and hatred you contain for us casuals is insurmountable and that not even the gods could overcome it. But quiet frankly: suck it.

Why is it that so many people expect constant warfare. The economy of Eve would crash because it would dry up when almost no manufacturing could be done except for some really well entrenched alliances.

Let us do what we want. We aren't complaining about the alliance blob fests. And after a while high sec does become boring, we just do the low sec stuff when we are ready. High sec people do stick their toes into low sec and other things after a while. You just want it on your terms with your obvious advantages of already being established and waiting for new players to shot at.

I have been reconsidering Lord Zim's point about increasing the value of low and Null sec. Moving the L3's and L4's out there is not actually a bad idea. Trading local for that won't be such a bad idea, read below for more.
(Leave no reward or time bonus only versions in high for training if you like, I hear that some pilots care only for the challenge)

Allow me to explain why.

The greatest reason people avoid low and null is risk. It's not just a case of being risk averse, it is much more a case of being the only target for NBSI corps across several systems.
(NRDS, or Not Red Don't Shoot is a fine idea, but PvP starved dwellers can be conveniently forgetful. And that is assuming they weren't NBSI to begin with)

Now, you make it so a tidal wave of pilots is coming across to do missions, and that changes things. It would encourage low sec to be more tolerant so they could have their stations become trade hubs, and eventually swell the ranks of corps after players realized the low sec experience was doable.

WH's are a poor example of what piloting would be like after such a change, since they have so many other aspects that will remain unique to them. This local free version of EVE could quite probably be very similar to what we have now.
The shifting of the game to remove local could be like the Y2K bug in how people react, overly dramatic.
A lot of changes are seen as overly dramatic till they happen, and then people blink and say,"That was it? Oh....".

Change does not automatically equal doom.

so the mails from CFC asking if people are interest in renting a system are an attempt to scam, or are they infact not real, mmmmkay.

you don't want changes of anykind do you, no matter what anyone suggests you'll red flag it because you're here for one reason.
you like to disagree and love to see your mindless shite in text.
you do indeed have nothing to add to this debate, so i revert to my original plan in regards to replying to you.

nuff said, jog on !

You forgot to include what I referred to (notice "as I've said before"? It's there for a reason) where I talk about how I spend my iskmaking time in hisec, and only fleet up for fleetfights in nullsec, because the risk/effort vs reward ratio makes it worth going in hisec instead of in nullsec. That's with today's mechanics, there's no way I'd even consider doing this if local were removed if hisec rewards were kept at the level they are now.

It's like I haven't said this tons of times already. vOv

And the answer to "why give a ****": I actually care about game balance.

It's not about forcing everyone out of highsec, it's about having an appropriate risk/effort vs reward balance in the game rather than the imbalanced current state that forces people into an increasingly safe and lucrative Highsec.

Anyway, pretty sure there isn't a single post in this thread saying players shouldn't be able chat with their friends and corpmates without having combat forced on you, even if everywhere became Nullsec and every system was filled with massive blobs of rabid players out for killmails and tears, you could still chat with people safely in a Station.

You're also I suspect rather uninformed on what drives EVE's economy, and what a Sandbox MMORPG happens to be.

Then you will have the same situation we have now, except with 3s.

No one will do 4s (because you can just do 5s for the same risk), and HS will just be people running 3s.

Not to mention that a large number would rage about and possibly quit if such a change went through.


There are many ways to "fix" whatever problem there is with 4s. Removing them from HS is not the best of them.

Without local, or just delayed local like WHs have, moving the L3 and L4 missions to low won't be the disaster many expect.

There is strength in numbers. Conversely, their can be weakness in their absence.
With more people active in low it will be less risk simply because of this.

The perception of only PvP predators lurking on the other side of gates into low sec is more damaging than anything else. With greater numbers traveling through low, this myth can be beaten and many pilots can finally surpass their own perceived limits.

We don't care about the carebears, we care about those who PVP in null/lowsec, but make money in hisec because the risk/effort to reward makes it moderately idiotic to try to make isk in anything other than L4s in hisec.

man why do you bother posting, you said on this very same page that you cared for game balance, then you post this crap that you don't care about carebears even though most of them supply the ships you fly and the ammo thats used to kill all them ships in null sec and low sec that you attend. again i'll say who is WE ? you represent nobody, you again are pushing your opinion as if it's the general opninion of the majority of players in the game, if it is then please go ahead and post proof that what you say is how people want it.

you're butt hurt because anoms got nerfed, admit it !

do incursions, do some trading, run mining ops, do whatever it takes to make isk, but don't whine that you refuse to live in null and it's the possible loss of local or any effect on it that is keeping you in high sec, you are in high sec because it suits you and you believe you can make more isk there. (anoms got nerfed)
this is all you are concerned with, how does Zim make money to allow him to PVP in null/low sec. you care for balance, but hey, **** the carebears, incredible.

you've already admitted that any change to local will have no effect on your style of play, you've now shown that you don't care for the majority, just what Zim can shoot at and then earn to keep him shooting at stuff.

I do care about game balance, I don't care to try to force those who are too chicken to even consider nullsec because they might lose a ship into null. They can keep on running their L2s in hisec if they want (or L3s if CCP doesn't want to go that far, whatever) for meager money. What needs to happen is that the nullsec people who are currently running L4s instead of running anoms or ratting because it's profitable enough compared to the risk and effort that it's worth it, should be incentivized into moving back into null and live there.


Nope. The anom nerf made sense, but keep reaching for straws, you might make a man yet.


It has nothing to do with "make more isk there", and everything to do with "it takes little enough effort and has little enough risk associated with it to make the drop in isk rewards worth it", and this is a bad balance.

If all you can think of is "anoms got nerfed", then I don't know what to tell you. vOv

I've made enough money to pimpfit 2 supercarriers, I don't need to make more. vOv


No local won't have an effect on my style of play because I don't rat/mine/plex/do anoms in null, L4s are enjoyed by "the majority" (instead of going to low/null for higher rewards), and I only shoot at things while in 100v100 (or bigger), I'm not sure how you're assuming more people in nullsec on a daily basis should translate into there being more people available there for me to shoot.

Face it, you just want local to be removed so you've got an easier time of getting kills, until nullsec is even more dead than it is now on a daily basis.