Market Discussions

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if CCP takes the stance of "Well, we ****ed it up once before, but now we have ring mining in the pipeline and that'll shake it up, so lets just wait for that".


I guess not doing anything until ring mining would result in CCP cracking second though.

Agreed.

I will admit nullsec is a little more tech crazy at 200k pu, but it's just an exaggeration of what we saw at 100k pu, not a fundamental difference. On the general economy side, there is nothing game-breaking about 200k or even 300k pu tech. People will pay for t2 stuff until the point that they won't, and then the price will stabilize.

There's just nothing that can happen that can make tech more "broken" than it already has been for over a year, so I highly doubt anything will happen to change CCP's established schedule for a t2 revamp.

It's looking like the goons are getting f****** by one of the opponents. The price for Nanotransistors is at a level paying just the fuel costs. So even when you process the stuff self, the prices are down. I curious how long does it take before a crash sends tech to 160k

yeah, hence why i want to be able to directly manipulate nano prices instead of having to deal with them as a muffling agent

issue is we haven't just ruined nano profitability we've made tons of t2 stuff unprofitable to make

Spreadsheet (updated prices) : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/EVE_reactions_v4f.zip
Most important part image snapshot : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/react220512.gif

Looks to me like fullerides are the best damn thing to react right now even with the current prices, hypersinaptic fibers second best, with nanotransistors and ferrogel nearly tied to 3rd place best things to react (ferrogel is slightly better, but not by very much).

P.S. Those pathetic racial carbide numbers are even after the switch to the horribly time-consuming caldari tower setup (as opposed to the more laid-back gallente one that uses an extra tower), but before any sov fuel bonuses.
Whether you use 32 block large faction towers or use regular towers with a -20% sov fuel bonus, the results are identical. I didn't even include the possibility of faction towers with fuel sov bonuses, but you get the idea, profits are higher.

That's per tower.
A fullerides chain would normally have 3 large gallente towers, or 2 large and 2 mediums.
Not sure what the best sov fuel bonus is, but IIRC it's another -20%, right ?
So a complete fullerides chain with best faction towers running in a max sov fuel bonus area would give you an extra 1.54 bil ISK/month compared to dumping all the materials on the market.
Also, considering that you're probably not usually mining sylicates and hydrocarbons usually even if you probably can find those things quite easily in the area (but you'd be either making or importing carbon polymers anyway, so might as well pick a moon that has both and plop the first step tower on it, since a silo and a miner eat up the same CPU/grid anyway), that's actually 1.62 bil/month extra (yeah, negligible extra, but, eh).

So... YOU tell me... is an extra 1.6 bil/month worth it or not for babysitting 3 extra towers ? ;)
Probably not, but some might argue it is, at least for them.

P.S. You will probably be keeping a deathstar on the moon you extract the tech from, and plop the 3 towers for the reaction chain on otherwise worthless moons.

Yeah, we can't push it all that much further right now until people accept the price and demand picks back up.

Oh, look at this! Akita is going to be a bad goon copy.

not necessarily

for almost 2 years now the tech price has been determined by the daily extraction + existing stockpiles from when it wasn't being consumed at full capacity. as stockpiles have effectively dried up and general demand has risen significantly just in the last few months, we are now going through the process of determining the actual highest market-clearing price where output meets demand. the decline in t2 consumed all down the line is a just a temporary adjustment to the massive price shock, which should mellow over time. this is, of course, speculation, but no one has yet put forth any kind of analysis to indicate that 80k, 100k, 150k, or 200k pu was the actual highest full capacity market-clearing price, though that obviously leaves it open to debate.

all the cartel has done is try to guess and test where that point is collectively, instead of letting the market move to that point in a more meandering and organic process. they are, in essence, speculating on with their own primary product.

in the real world speculators would just sit down and do the fundamental analysis necessary to estimate where the market clearing price will be, but that doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in a video game, so just setting prices and seeing what happens is far more fun.

my guess is the result will be a sort of market-driven/cartel-directed hybrid, where they will set a price, and then it will stabilize at 50-75% of the difference in price gain, repeated until the highest market-clearing price is eventually reached. where that price is, nobody has so far produced a compelling argument; and if they have made one, they probably won;t share it.

But this is what is so amusing about OTEC. They don't care about making more isk. They are sitting on 100's of trillions of isk. They literally don't know what to do with all their isk. You are assuming they are playing the same game as you, they are not. They are doing this to mess with the rest of eve.