Missions & Complexes

Do i have too?

PVP MMO's

Aion
Rift
WOW
WOT


Meh..

does not compute

Waiting times for fleets, I am not sure exactly how to do it but,

If you started a fleet with say 2 ships running scout sites ( eg 5mil per person per site upto 9 people)

Then continue building the fleet until night enough to run vanguards (eg 10-20 pilots 10mil per person per site)

Same again until you can run assaults ( say 20-30 pilots and bigger payout per pilot)

Same again till you can run hq s (say 30-50 pilots and bigger payout per pilot)

Every extra pilot makes the sites quicker to run, the bigger the sites the more isk you will make per site (so maximum isk per hour would be made from 50 pilots running hqs but you will still make some isk while running scout sites and building the fleet)

Just remove incursions from eve or keep them out of 0.0. That is all.

I would rather run sanctums, exploration sites or DED sites. Incursion do not entertain me, it sucks for people in 0.0 who have to pay sov bills and lose Cap Navigation because of this around there own space. I have tried to get fleets up to get rid of them, people are just not interested and move around to different constellations to avoid them. Incursions are a good idea but bad for 0.0.

Darth stop bumping these silly threads with your horribly unsubtle rage posts.

Thanks, your comments explain much...

Lmao, someone listed wow as a PvP game?

WoW is the only MMO I've ever heard of where bots are an issue in PvP. But even if it wasn't terrible PvP, it is still themepark segregated pve/pvp.

Meanwhile incursions community stagnated into couple of hundreds folks with less than 20 capable fleet commanders which could be found easily within 1-2 incursion constellations to be asked about issues with incursions. I guess it will take 20-30 minutes to make a poll about possible changes in incursions, 5 minutes to send personal messages to those 20 FCs (I'm sure they will be more than happy to answer) and a day to gather information from first hands instead of reading 16 pages of mostly useless trolling.

Honestly... Incursions were actually decently fun, and they are what got me to stay with the game after being away for almost two years.

To fix the null/low sec thing: Multiply their current payout times about three. I think people might run vanguards in low if they paid out 45mil... I'd certainly fit out a low sec maelstrom right now to do them. If I lose a ship every twenty sites (due to pvp, or too much alpha, whatever), I would still be making quite a decent amount of money. If we want to talk about risk versus reward: there ya go. If you could get an alpha rofl fleet going and do 6 minute sites, that would be 450mil ISK an hour, at the risk of losing your multi billion ISK ships to do so.

I think people might just do it for that much money, plus they can't get hotdropped by capitals while doing it. If that's too much, make go to about 2x payout. My point is when you have to invest more than a throwaway amount of money into something it has to pay enough to make up for the risk. Turning on that PvP enabled flag in which death means losing many, many hours worth of work? I think people are a bit masochistic to assume that anything but the sweetest of bread crumbs would encourage that. Certainly not for a few extra million per site, when the risk is to lose three hundred of those millions (or far more with a shiny ship). I think it would be more reasonable to say that 10-12minutes would probably be the average for a low sec fleet, so they should make AT LEAST 100mil per hr in vanguards.

Make the low/null sec influence go up much faster. DO NOT make it visible from a distance, so that it has to be scouted to see if people are doing them in that area in low/null (Concord I'm sure has Op Sec sense enough to at least do that: not exclaim, "hey these guys which are doing us a favor, hey, come blow them up please!"). Although the hotspot of activity from the map will probably do a decent job of doing this.

Secondly, let some faction mods and BPCs occasionally drop for the smaller fleets. Maybe like some frigates in Vanguards, cruiser BPCs in assaults, and battleships in HQs. Give ninja looters something to ninja loot and cause drama (outside of the moms) I think that anytime you have to bash a structure for 10 minutes with a forty man fleet, it should drop some kind of loot... Might want to make it not always Sansha designs and stuff or the market may crash for them. Sure, the moms drop some nice stuff, but YOU (as in, the peon with the guns) will never get a chance to see it without either paying absurd amounts for them or getting banned and basically unable to run incursions unless you can create your own community of people that also wishes to be ostracized by the main incursion community and did so because they're greedy pricks.

And the obvious "fix the OTAs and make them less dumb". It feels like the forum game, corrupt a wish, where everyone wished for more OTAs and someone replied, "Granted, but now they suck and you hate them."

Furthermore, I absolutely love the idea of varied sites (Repping/defending a station, escorting a convoy of valuable goods under attack of sansha, more stuff like what's in HQs but for vanguards. Little special mechanics that make things interesting rather than "KILL ALL THE THINGS!!!"). Maybe you have to have a tackler for a mission who runs up to a sansha officer and scrams him before he can warp off to earn extra loot or something.

Also, make people with 5.0+ of Sansha faction not be attacked by the Sansha in the sites (or some other high amount that guarantees being ostracized in empire, like 8.0 or something), so the Sansha roleplayers can really mess up the day of the incursion runners. Maybe, if the incursion is not rebuffed, it becomes sovereignty of Sansha's Nation until the Mom can be defeated?