Crime & Punishment

Just this absolute WALL of text came out of nowhere and had its way with my eyes. He was brutal too.

Your type just cannot understand that what you are talking about penalizing is a completely legitimate in game action. It's as legitimate as mining rocks.

So.

With that in mind, please tell me why someone who logs on after downtime and strips all the belts of the good stuff shouldn't have to have their SP removed as well. Mine too aggressively? Well its back to Retrievers for you as you retrain Exhumers. Again.

It's stupid, fundamentally flawed on the very base level and the only reason you see it otherwise is because your stupid sodding "right and wrong" compass is being operated within a virtual environment and telling you that some actions should be punished more than others. To explain the problem one last time, you are suggesting sanctions against someones account for actions taken in the game. If you were less bias on this issue you would see how absolutely unhinged suggesting that someone should pay, effectively, an IRL penalty for their actions. Remember (again!) we're not talking RMT or anything against the EULA, you want account sanctions for playing the game as intended.

As for your slightly more legit concerns:

"- heavy security status penalties, this is true für the occasional ganker, who works it up again by ratting in low or null, it is nozt for the -10 chars - they don't give a **** on sec-status."

See, the thing with -10 characters, is you can preemptively fire. So why don't you have someone jamming their Catalysts or exploding them out of the sky? For anything else, you need a lot of ratting. I'm sure you've never actually tried this, but believe me, a few hours of ratting to make up for accidentally nicking the pod as well feels like a consequence.

"yeah, the victim can freely fire - with mining-lasers?"
You know what? Tough ****. If all he can use is mining lasers (and this is rarely ever the case) then he is paying the price for his skill specialization being too narrow. That's his choice. For anyone who hasn't pidgeon holed themselves kill rights are a very useful tool available to them and could end up costing the ganker a lot more than he bargained for. They're seldom used because the player is a giant festering carebear. But, again, their issue. The game is literally giving them a one sided advantage to take advantage of, too ******* bad if they don't.

"absolute loss - of course, but it's a calculated loss. The only risc is somebody faster looting/salvaging the wreck as the ganker/alt himself"

No, there's a legitimate chance the RNG goes against you and your gank fails, and you're out n-ships and the victim loses nothing.

"insurance - if you set your car against a wall and everything indicates it was your free decision - show me the insurance that pays, and i make a contract today."

Not sure on your point here. I stated insurance is void for gankers. I'm not arguing for or against it, I am stating it is a consequence. Your real-world analogies don't help. This is not the real world.

"Regarding the sec-status of the highsec-systems, give the ganker the chance to get away. Just like in RL, a place in the center of the city will be better guarded by police than some hundred meters or even kilometers away."

No, this is always silly. Loss needs to be absolute in this case for balance.

That or bad advertising. I still would not know about that game if someone did not post about it ~1 year ago in EVE forums...

So basically miners die, carebears whine and we get to have the same frickin arguement we have every hulkageddon only this time with extra doses of full on ******.

I'm sure that some one has probably said this before but the solution to the problem the OP has is so simple it's painful.
Eve is a sandbox.
Player based actions are what make this game we all play unique. As such, if you don't want to pvp, than you don't have to. There are ways around it. The only failure is the imagination of the player doing all of the whining.
To ask CCP to restrict one players playing style and allow another to play as they see fit makes the game no longer a sandbox. Plain and simple.
It's just wrong.
If you subscribed to Eve, expecting anything but an unrestricted playing environment than it is you who are the one that is faulty. Not the game. You should have done a great deal more research in the game than you have or haven't done before spending your money.

Putting it simply, Eve is the kitchen. If you can't take the heat, GTFO.

You don't have to quit Eve to continue mining! I gave Helicity 2 billion isk and he added me to the white list. Now, when destroyers warp into my belt, they see me and help kill off the belt rats that spawn before warping off. Paying Helicity was the best investment I've ever made!

The way you put your words on here is very cocky and just another reply as a smartass.
Explain to me then why I never heard of Hulkageddon before I was shot in my retriever? Mining, like a boss, but boom gone was my ship. Oh, and not in Low Sec, no no, in High Sec. Bringing out a 10 million ship in my case out in a .7 system with HG running across Eden. I'm flying out there like I'm the king. But damn, it's a retriever and not a Hulk. But still I get ganked because it's Hulkageddon.

I'm a 1 month old player in this game and you have to agree with this on some lvl. It's totally f*cked in the head that you can pwn a 300million ship with just a puny little 2 mill ship in a few shot. Hell even my retriever was pwned in 3 shots.

If a 2 mill ship comes up against a Hulk he should be shooting for 10 minutes to dmg it with it's T1 weaponry and ****** ship. Yet it only takes a few blows and that's what's so f*cked up about this so called "system"

We take days of hard work to get a 300mil ship(without fitting) which can get destroyed by the nearest douchebag within 5 seconds...

HG is just an excuse to nuke miners, but it happens outside HG as well...
I can totally imagine Jeremy quits this game cuz of this ****. Played hard and long to get where he's now. And some stupid kids invent an event to kill the miners -_-'

I thought Eve was a more mature game, guess every game has it's kids in it...

Because you're poorly informed. If you had paid any attention to anything about eve - NPC corp chat, newbie help, local, eve forums, en24, blogs, twitter, gaming media, anything - you could not have failed to hear about burn jita and hulkageddon.

You didn't, so you lost your ship.

Knowledge is power. I recommend getting some.

Now I'm only ~20 days old here, but...

Are you miner guys just out there solo mining oblivious to everything around you and alternative methods?

Here's a few things that seems like a no-brainer to me:

• post scouts at the stargates monitoring who's entering the system.
• a scout fleeted w/a miner can see if gankers entering the system align themselves to where hulks are when warping. gives hulk a headstart on warping out and docking.
• scouts can also see if probes are being launched, give a head's up.
• pre-align yourself toward a starbase when mining to eliminate alignment time.

So bombs can be launched in hisec now?

1/10.