Warfare & Tactics

+1 for docking rights. If you want to dock, take the system. Its just common sense that militia stations can have the right to refuce docking to the enemy faction.

moving fights away from docking timers and timers in general is always a good thing IMO.

also looking forward to the other mentioned features

One of the top complaints about the coming changes has been that players HATE the idea of working towards rewards / consequences that will be taken away overnight.

The faster systems are flipped, the more meaningless any system-based consequences or rewards become. I told CCP straight up that I had ZERO intention of putting my hard-earned LP towards upgrading a system if I had not even the slightest guarantee that I could still enjoy the reward when I woke up the next morning. I'd much prefer just to buy ships with it instead.

But if I knew it took a few days to flip a system, and a coordinated effort could be mounted where I could rely on the allies that I trust to pick up the defense where I left off ? Sure, that's worth investing in.

The Faction Warfare community has begged for consequence and reward for years now. It's arrived. Why in the world would we want to water it down and render it meaningless before anyone's even had a chance to enjoy it first?

First let me start by saying that I am for many of the changes CCP has proposed. I certainly want purpose and reward for killing enemies and plexing and I certainly think it's high time that FW got benefits and perks in the form of things other than navy ships.

The big issue that I have from this isn't the station locks, new capture mechanics or anything that is directly tied to FW (even if I disagree with some of them), my issue is with neutrals in FW zones.



Neutrals receive all the benefits of system upgrade (at least the ones that have been announced) without having to put any LP into it, worrying about losing station access or even fighting over plexes. Think about that. In 0.0 you can't use station services unless the owner (who has to fight, pay, and risk in order to actually own it) allows you. In other words, to prevent exactly what neutrals will be able to in FW space. How is it fair (or as CCP calls "balanced) gameplay that the non-FW enemies I shoot get to reap all the benefits of my hard work to take and upgrade my system ESPECIALLY when we have to use our hard earned LP (and hence possible isk) to upgrade it?

CCP has been promising to buff low sec. I was all for it, until I saw this and realized that at least part of that would be accomplished at FW's expense. Some will say it's better to have more enemies, but as has been proven, there are multiple alliances that live in low that own tech moons that don't NEED those benefits and can AFFORD the time and isk to lose lots of ships playing station games or camping plexes or missions.

I just can't see see how CCP could conceive that it would be alright for non-FW entities to interfere with our FW fights and affairs and still get to eat the cake that we baked.

Will probably be based on systems held as that is the single most 'unfair' method from an Amarr PoV (less systems, bottlenecks everywhere in minnie space etc.)

"Blob the crap out of the enemy for a fortnight and get 50% off in LP store. better missions rewards, cheaper everything and more stuff in general! .."
Null is FUBAR .. come Summer, FW is FUBAR

Has CCP given any indication as to how they plan on avoiding the inevitable snowball from starting up where one or two militias take over everything .. the datacore crap won't work as one gets LP for everything so even with no space held one can ninja-plex more than enough to feed the market.

PS: CCP, revise the Amarr/Matar theatre damnit .. you did geography magic at launch for Caldari, now finish what you started!

What you describe is null sec sov warfare in nutshell. It can be fun and many people like it, but why make fw the same as that?

Why the big consequences no docking and long timers so all the blobs can assemble? Why make it so no small gang can do anything substantial in a short time before a blob forms to clear them out?


Seriously if you want big rewards for big effort why don't you go to null sec?

If my militia doesn't react to threats when i am gone so be it - just don't make the consequences that big. Very few in faction war want to have a second job protecting big rewards. yes some consequences. But for the big consequences following big efforts there is null sec.

I believe you. The minmatar will surely take a thousand fights when they drastically outnumber their enemy.

But seriously whats with this "yay big effort big rewards" null sec talk?

What happened to the hans that ran a campaign on low sec as a fight club with frequent small scale pvp?


How are longer timers where the larger side is never in a rush to protect anything and can always wait for their blob to form going to promote that?

Went the same direction is "change we can believe in" ?

You're right that there are workarounds. The most obvious of them is to leave FW.

Seriously would you stop with rp reasons.

Why would the 24th imperial crusade not allow its own members to dock in its station?

The stations are often owned by private third parties not the factions.

"FW System" meaning this affects only lowsec? In other words, you can have militias docking on enemy hisec?
If so, that sounds like a loophole already in the design.