Crime & Punishment

As someone that has failed miserably in most gank attempts I can speak from experience that you're wrong

Firstly, as its explained everywhere... EVE Online is a sandbox game. Creating a truly safe place in a game which is all about "doing what ever you want" is fundamentally wrong.

Hypocrisy i believe is the correct term for this "i want to mine where you can not kill me" roughly translates too, "I want to do what I want to do, but at the same time prevent you from doing what you want to do".

There are preventative measures on both sides, hulks are hard to cut through solo in a 0.7 as concord turn up a little faster than in a 0.5

1. mine in a higher sec system, or quiet system,
2. stay aligned
3. watch directional scan
4. drag and drop ore as normal.

All good and valid points. It just should not be possible to gank that easily.

If say someone turned up in a Mega and wasted your Avatar, without you having a possibility to defend yourself, you'd cry on the forums too.

Too little put on the line for too much destroyed. Simple balance issue. I have no problem with being ganked in Highsec. I just think it should take more effort and cost to kill a tanked t2 ship than 3 destroyers.

This is somewhat like the removal of the doomsday in its early form. Too little effort was needed to destroy too much. Now you can still blow up a 500 man gang at once with bombs. Same result as triple doomsday, but takes way more effort (more players). See the difference?

I feel for you hon but your quote above shows you don't understand the player base.
Yes most of the gankers would do exactly that to the third graders as you put it. Just look at the hero worshipping Goonies and the recent Mittani incident that led to his temporary banning for the proof.
The griefers and htfu players as you put it are also in a large part Gewnies also, so they wont go killing themselves thats one of their definite no, noes.

Being a carebear in a mining boat is no shame although many try to use it as an insult. Its just a different way of playing to the PVP players.

Problem is when you post like this they mostly will tell you the same thing, EVE is a sandbox, and as a sandbox players can play the game anyway they want to. But what they never say, or at least I have never read of any saying it, is that the sandbox lets them play the way they want to by denying players like you to play the game the way you want to.

Now unfortunately, or fortunately depending which side of the fence you sit on, at least one of the CCP overlords who run this sandbox was themselves a one time Goonie, so perhaps you can see a little now why the comments here are so detrimental to your post.

Those telling you to HTFU if you want to stay are being coarse but true. To stay in Eve, even as a carebear, and enjoy the game you wish to, your going to have to change your attitude to the playerbase and the game itself. As far as I can see at this time, the game seems to be moving towards a more hardline PVP direction than it has been for a while, at least in EU/US zone. So unless you can handle that, another game may be a better choice for your play style.

It will be a shame though if you or any other player leaves because of the Jita Burn/Hulkageddon/Ice interdictions, as yes the game loses subscriptions and also some of its kinder side, which it does have btw, but you need to dig deep to find it sometimes.
Because we all add to the game.

Actually you don't need to worry about less and less carebears being around for all the above to harrass, punish unfairly, kill, maim, destroy as Eve seems to have a constant and slow expanding player base of all sorts.

I would suggest you take a little time out of the game if you need to, then return perhaps when things are a little quieter. Work on your defensive skills, if you intend to carry on mining. Start searching the forums for how to mine in hi sec in relative safety if thats where you plan to be and perhaps learn to mission, develop trading or PVP yourself with another character for some variety in your game play while the various Eve disruptions take place.

Thank you for your lengthy reply. You just do not get my angle. see my above post about doomsdays. It is just too easy to wreak such substantial havoc.
now I sit around and can basically do nothing. In essence this is a 45 bucks (3 months) for me down the drain. If that is how ccp intended to have the game played, then indeed I am wrong here.

This is just to much money I pay for a design flaw.

Or you can, you know, get into a destroyer and go kill a Hulk. Have an alt/friend on standby to scoop the loot, make some money, and have some fun.


Well that pretty much explains it. Guy sticks two meta 0 small shield extenders and cargo expanders/rigs on his Hulk, mines in a .5, and then complains when his ship gets inevitably popped. If he used a proper EHP setup, not only would the ship still be alive, but he would have actually made money from the ore he was mining.

I have two questions for you, OP:

1. Do you mine for pure profit, or simply as a preferred activity in the game?

2. Do you think it's more viable to mine half as much in a ship that will never be ganked, or mine your theoretical maximum amount with exposure to nearly absolute risk?

Yep......another example of how unbalanced game play and 12 year old tactics have screwed up this game.

[quote Jeremy Firewind]


Actually hon I do get your angle about cost versus loss and risk. You missed mine though. I was trying to show you that the rules as they stand at this time, no matter how you view the fairness of them, allow that to happen and did so when you joined.

One thing I do find strange is that you were mining while HG is on, in a .5 hi sec system. Even a tanked hulk is going to have problems in the long delay Concord takes to appear in .5.

Eve is dynamic and is constantly changing perhaps at some time they will change hi sec to make it safer. They could even end up putting a PVP flag switch for a player to change to sometime in the future. But my main chars who are Hulk and Orca pilots shudder at the thought of a WoW Eve.

As a point to examine in this game, remember you make millions of isk quite rapidly and a lot of that is due to the gank factor in the game, as the tonnage that is constantly being destroyed needs to be replaced and miners are the first in the chain that provides the raw materials. The millions you can make with relative ease have to have some risk and danger attached or there isn't really a lot of point to it all. Also make it too easy and too safe and the bots may flood the game destroying the economy for all, as has happened in many other MMO's.

My advice to you still stands, skill up to missioning if you don't want to pvp. Oh yes and ignore the canflipper ninja salvager who scans out your mission and goes red to you by stealing your stuff unless you want some PVP action. Or start trading, or look to joining a corp that mines with an alliance in 0:0. But rage or emo quitting isn't an answer. How do I know this? My partner and I have done it twice but this wicked game has pulled us back in each time, and I could cry over the year we have lost in Eve when we should have stayed and quietly skilled up.

Yes there is, you're just completely clueless as to how to do it.

Are these real or fake tears?



Btw can I haz Sie stuff?