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A good point, and my apologies.

I have to admit the main draw for me right now (as soon as I get home and SiSi updated) is to check out the new bombers and missile effects, but with the proposed changes for the first time in a couple of years I'm motivated to get my hand back into FW.

Again, sorry for getting so opinionated. That goes out to all concerned.

You have the number of kills wrong. But I don't think anyone who knows what they are talking about just looks at the number of kills someone has when they evaluate their killboard. The fact that you do sort of proves my point.

It also demonstrates another difference between players in low sec looking for frequent quality small scale fun fights and players like you in null sec looking to get lots of kills and minimize your losses.

What you do with your "serious fleet engagements" is of no interest to me.

Again you really don't get it, and that is not meant as an insult but just a statement of fact.

I think the only thing we agree on is that you have experience in "something similar" to what is being proposed. That is we agree that proposal makes faction war more like your sov null sec experience. For those who want all of eve to be more of the same this is good. For those who want different ways to play the game this idea is horrible.

Well, this is awkward. I can't really fully discuss the big picture here without all the details on the table, and apparently not everything that has been discussed has yet made it to SiSi. I don't have a concrete list of what's on the server, nether does anyone, so until I get home from work and can test for and look for the "missing" changes here I'm limited in what I can say.

The biggest thing I can say right now is that I'd like to encourage everyone in FW to keep their pants on tight and wait just a bit more before shaving your heads and declaring that "FW is dead" and unsubbing or running off to something else.

TBH, due to the nature of FW even if all of the changes that were on table had been posted on SiSi, it will take a month or so at least on Tranquility itself to let people fight actual wars in the new system, before any of you can provide *useful* feedback.

There will be some of you that no doubt read a list of changes, and say "**** it" and quit without even giving the new system a chance. And really, I don't care. The FW community is mostly dedicated pilots that have put up with three years of neglect and still managed to have fun somehow (or else you shouldn't be playing) so I think another two months to allow the final list of changes to surface and actually be tested isn't too much to ask.

All of the "this will only favor blobbing" and "its hopeless for whoever loses" are mere speculation at this point, none of us including myself can fully predict what the outcomes will be. I remain very optimistic, based on the changes I've worked on with Ytterbium, and am excited to try them out, but its a bit tough at the moment because I'm not sure what is on SiSi and thus free to talk about until I get home and check it all out.

Thanks for your patience, FW peeps!

So what Cearain wants to see is FW to stay as it is? Stagnant and dull? No thanks broski.

Fighters / FB technically aren't drones, so no. Just as they're not affected by Drone Nav or OmniDirec

I don't think the negative reaction is to the list of "changes" (plural). Its mainly to one change. No docking. In the threads and communities I have seen faction war players have been against this change pretty clearly with a few exceptions.

Now I haven't tried it out but I think the mechanic is pretty clear. We won't be able to dock in enemy controled faction war space. Do I need to fly my ship to a station on sisi and get the message "you can't dock here" to understand how that will work?

I don't know that anyone is saying that they will rage quit. I think the players have been expressing thier views on this. Yes people like ranger1 who does sov null sec might now be interested in faction war. Other null sec players think this is fine or even great. But by and large lots of faction war players (especially those who do allot of small scale pvp and plexing) would prefer they did something less drastic.

My favorite is the "logis don't get primaried" comment.

As a logi pilot, I gotta say good luck with that if you are facing a proper fleet comp. Any number of fights I have been, where we lost, in the logi wing is the only group to make it home. You only need 3-4, and suddenly the enemy has to completely alpha a logi to take it out, while a scimitar has a tiny sigrad and is fast enough to speed tank an entire enemy fleet. 70km rep range works wonders to keep them safe as well.

If you are having issues with your logis getting primaried, maybe you should take a moment and teach them how to fly for the role.

Actually, you brought up the subject of killboards if you will remember. Please feel free to analyze mine any way you wish, but I'll point out AGAIN that they have little bearing on this discussion. Only the types of engagements, and the environment those combats took place in have even slight relevance.

I understand you do not wish FW to end up being identical to Null warfare, but when you consider:

The abundance of stations in close proximity to any potential combat zone.
The abundance of neutrals living in those area's.
The abundance of hostile 3rd parties frequenting those area's.
The loyalty points for kills mechanic.
The incentives proposed for increasing support (and recruiting) of neutrals to support a particular faction (by playing on their greed.. errr. sense of fiscal responsibility).
The restrictions in effect on cap ship use in Low Sec.

There actually seems to be very little danger of FW becoming a clone of Null Sec combat, even if they share some mechanics. And they "should" share some mechanics. For many pilots FW will be (and in fact already is) a stepping stone to heading into Null.

We will all have to see what the details of the changes are, but the broad strokes look good so far.

I don't think it is about FW.
They are starved for missiles and explosions and now start biting each other until Sisi is up to feed them what they hunger for.

Do want the missiles :(

Also, the cpu rigs, new boosters and drone damage mods will lead to very interesting new fits.