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Inferno Features on Singularity

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Oppon's Pull
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#101 - 2012-05-02 16:25:32 UTC
If you are going to insist on adding a lockout to members of FW not in the controlling militia please tell me you are revisiting the time taken to flip a system (currently 5 hours) so I dont go to bed in my small, 1 TZ corp and wake up locked out of my system. With people already grind the FW missions, why raise their value too instead of just raise the value of kills and fw complexes?
Also my corpies ( there are several giving me 'ideas' over comms as I write this ) want to know if you've ever played in FW or you consider it a part of the game that you are not realy sure what it is but you know its there... :)
Rara Yariza
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2012-05-02 16:25:41 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Rara Yariza wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:


Without going into exhaustive detail:
1. Cannot dock in stations that are in systems controlled by an enemy
- Example: Minmatar cannot dock in stations in a FW system controlled by the Amarr/Caldari
- You also cannot use station services if you docked before system flipped
- Ninja Edit: This does not affect neutrals




Being unable to dock is a very poor mechanic, this isn't 0.0. If it isn't going to be changed then make it so players can't dock in the highsec stations of their opposing faction aswell. Only fair.


FW area's are war zones, thus subject to (in effect) Martial Law. It's not that difficult to understand.

It's not like you would not be able to stage a system or two away.


I understand it just fine and whatever rp reasons you like, it doesn't change the fact this is not a good thing. it slows down roaming gangs, promotes more blobs and changes facwar into a more grindfest orientated arena. Not to mention you can lose a system during your sleep cycle and come back to either being camped in or locked out of your ships. it's not a well thought through idea.
Kalaratiri
Unitas Nusquam Est
VINDICTIVE
#103 - 2012-05-02 16:26:32 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Rara Yariza wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:


Without going into exhaustive detail:
1. Cannot dock in stations that are in systems controlled by an enemy
- Example: Minmatar cannot dock in stations in a FW system controlled by the Amarr/Caldari
- You also cannot use station services if you docked before system flipped
- Ninja Edit: This does not affect neutrals




Being unable to dock is a very poor mechanic, this isn't 0.0. If it isn't going to be changed then make it so players can't dock in the highsec stations of their opposing faction aswell. Only fair.


FW area's are war zones, thus subject to (in effect) Martial Law. It's not that difficult to understand.

It's not like you would not be able to stage a system or two away.


Example in point is BSI. an amarr corp who live in.. Ardar. Six jumps behind the minmatar front line. Makes sense in lore terms right? Roll

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Stalking Mantis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-05-02 16:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Alexandra Alt wrote:
Marcus Foederatus wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
As promised, here are a list of the features that are going to Sisi this Wednesday afternoon. Most are still work in progress but please give your feedback in this thread and the teams will monitor it as best they can.

- Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy)



Care to elaborate?


Faction warfare panel of fanfest this year has all about it. I would advise to see it tbh has a lot of stuff.


That panel had allot of good ideas but it was pretty vague. I would like to hear a bit more detail on all the fw changes really.






Without going into exhaustive detail:
1. Cannot dock in stations that are in systems controlled by an enemy
- Example: Minmatar cannot dock in stations in a FW system controlled by the Amarr/Caldari
- You also cannot use station services if you docked before system flipped
- Ninja Edit: This does not affect neutrals

2. There are 5 levels of discounts for a number of different things - if you own the system and have upgraded it
- Medical clone discounts (from 10% in increments of 10 up to 50% discount)
- Number of assembly lines increases by 1 for every level
- All broker fees discounted (from 10% in increments of 10 up to 50%)
- NOTE: You only get these discounts in the FW system
- ADDENDUM: These discounts apply to neutrals not in FW

3. Militia store LP prices are affected by faction wide performance (discounts in increments of 10%)
- Note that Datacores have been split and moved in FW LP stores
- Pending implementation, LP gain increase for all ways in which LP can be gained in FW - FW Kills, FW Missions, Complexs etc

I do believe these are the most prominent consequences implemented/pending.


I do believe these are the most prominent consequences implemented/pending.[/quote]

Well this could mean one of two things..

1-People will start to understand that if they do not fight back an incoming hostile faction invasion they will lose their in station assets. This will reingnite their fighting spirit to go out their and fight off the incoming invasion (hostile plexers).

2-People will start to understand that if they do not fight back an incoming hostile faction invasion they will lose their in station assets. So people will be dropping militia and contracting their assets over to neuteral characters to GTFO.

Sadly the second option is what comes to mind as I am already reading and hearing people think about that in the face numerically superior enemies instead of actually thinking about fighting.

Speaking of numerically superior the words of Damar are still echoing in my head about how this will encourage people to join the winning side to reap the benefits. Leaving only the most devout to fight for their respective sides. A fight that without others to support is a losing fight.

I am very happy to see changes in FW do not think I am bashing this. Sadly you will never be able to fix everything/please everyone in one fell swoop. Excuse me for being pessimistic CCP just tossing about worst case scenario in my head.

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HeavensGuard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-05-02 16:27:30 UTC
yey ! the amarr are gonna get more raped ! \o/ ... why not just give the minmatar our space now and get it over with

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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#106 - 2012-05-02 16:31:59 UTC
Will the new drone damage module affect fighters???

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CCP Paradox
#107 - 2012-05-02 16:36:02 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Will the new drone damage module affect fighters???



The current module will not affect fighter class drones.

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TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#108 - 2012-05-02 16:37:25 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Will the new drone damage module affect fighters???



The current module will not affect fighter class drones.


That's fine, I use Curators anyway Twisted

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#109 - 2012-05-02 16:37:58 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Will the new drone damage module affect fighters???



since all other drone affecting modules do not affect fighters (fighter arent drones actually),
I would assume "no".
Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction
Gears Confederation
#110 - 2012-05-02 16:39:48 UTC
Some small questions;

- Will FW Stations change their looks to the current owners? Or is it possible to get an Caldari station wich is controlled by Gallente?
- What is exactly going to happen with Datacores? As i skilled a lot of (expensive) skills to get them from research agents.
- Is there a hotline to call when people will get a serious cause of jawdrop while looking at stealthbombers nuking everything?

Dude, where is my Quafe Megathron?

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#111 - 2012-05-02 16:43:07 UTC
Goddamn CCP finally put it's posting pants on. First CCP Guard posts an excellent burn in GD, and now the test server Devs are are just laying the sick burns all over the buttmad pubbies in Test Feedback.

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Danfen Fenix
#112 - 2012-05-02 16:43:23 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:


Speaking of numerically superior the words of Damar are still echoing in my head about how this will encourage people to join the winning side to reap the benefits. Leaving only the most devout to fight for their respective sides. A fight that without others to support is a losing fight.



I think that is where the idea behind linking Datacores to FW comes in to it. If one side dominates another, then the prices for datacores with the other will rise, causing more people to join them to make a profit and so on P

E.g. Amarr faction owns the minmatar space. Amarr datacore prices plummet, while prices for minmatar datacores rise. This would hopefully then see more people joining the minmatar faction, to take advanatge of the prices/try to lower them, and thus a fighting effort takes place, beating back amarr.
Damar Rocarion
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-05-02 16:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Speaking of numerically superior the words of Damar are still echoing in my head about how this will encourage people to join the winning side to reap the benefits. Leaving only the most devout to fight for their respective sides. A fight that without others to support is a losing fight.


This at least comfirms me to remove myself from FW the moment these changes go live. Alliances allowed meant Matar got hundreds of more people to their side against already outnumbered Amarr. And only be clever tactics have Caldari been able to fight against Gallente blob (Even so, prime time saturday there is nothing to do but stay docked more or less).

Now there is nothing left. Sides with currently biggest blob win and there will be no pendelum swinging back since profit > boredom everytime in Eve so Gallente & Matar will happily grind away isk for themselves. Big pvp corps in militias will simply drop out from militia and go pirate rather than face the risk of losing station access when people flip systems while their members are sleeping or working.

Oh and Soundwave (And Danten Fenix above) says people join losing side to farm datacores? How does giving farmers more options translate as "people willing to join pvp gangs". Tell me, do the current "I dual box with my inty and stealth bomber" mission farmers ever bring a ship into militia fleet to shoot someone?
Capitol One
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#114 - 2012-05-02 16:44:55 UTC
Echoing Oppons above, will the time/amount of plexes needed to capture a system be changed at all?
Or can I expect to wake up to a station locked because we don't have complete domination of all timezones?
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#115 - 2012-05-02 16:46:57 UTC
HeavensGuard wrote:
yey ! the amarr are gonna get more raped ! \o/ ... why not just give the minmatar our space now and get it over with


Well see, if this is what the Amarr had done in the first place, we wouldn't be having this silly war! Blink

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Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

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Damar Rocarion
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-05-02 16:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Capitol One wrote:
Echoing Oppons above, will the time/amount of plexes needed to capture a system be changed at all?
Or can I expect to wake up to a station locked because we don't have complete domination of all timezones?


Perhaps there will be rf timers for control bunkers. Which of course simply translates again to "biggest blob wins", which of course means in caldari front that for such momentous occasions Gallentes will always have superior numbers than Caldari. This is a simple mathematical fact and no matter how much they spout on forums "grow some balls and work together", it wont change.

Best of times we can muster 30 guys and gallentes can always reliably call on matar allies too to get 100 man fleet going. And with changes further encouraging people to join winning side, it will simply make it more and more lopsided.

So like the fanfest presentation dev wanted, FW is over. Everybody go home.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-05-02 16:53:08 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Robert Caldera wrote:
corestwo wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
this drone damage thingy sucks balls!!
Means a stealth nerf to solo bombers since all bears will fit it on their ratting boats, it was already hard enough to tank bombers properly, now its gonna be almost impossible?

Dont introduce it.
Alternatively, boost bomber HP in order to compensate the drone changes.


because stealth ships have always been known for their robust tankability.


Roll


it was at least possible to tank them against drones to some degree.


lol what, have you ever flown a bomber? if you get shot, your dead. if drones deal 15% more damage it won't matter, flying a bomber is fun because you know your going to die. I even made an alt just for flying a bomber recklessly!

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Andre Vauban
Aideron Robotics
#118 - 2012-05-02 16:55:37 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Speaking of numerically superior the words of Damar are still echoing in my head about how this will encourage people to join the winning side to reap the benefits. Leaving only the most devout to fight for their respective sides. A fight that without others to support is a losing fight.


This at least comfirms me to remove myself from FW the moment these changes go live. Alliances allowed meant Matar got hundreds of more people to their side against already outnumbered Amarr. And only be clever tactics have Caldari been able to fight against Gallente blob (Even so, prime time saturday there is nothing to do but stay docked more or less).

Now there is nothing left. Sides with currently biggest blob win and there will be no pendelum swinging back since profit > boredom everytime in Eve so Gallente & Matar will happily grind away isk for themselves. Big pvp corps in militias will simply drop out from militia and go pirate rather than face the risk of losing station access when people flip systems while their members are sleeping or working.

Oh and Soundwave (And Danten Fenix above) says people join losing side to farm datacores? How does giving farmers more options translate as "people willing to join pvp gangs". Tell me, do the current "I dual box with my inty and stealth bomber" mission farmers ever bring a ship into militia fleet to shoot someone?


I 100% agree with Damar. All these changes will do is push us to pull our Alliance out of militia so we don't risk anything. At the same time, we can still reap all the benefits of upgraded systems. All we need is some alts in militia to be able to accept missions and sit on plex buttons.

Gallente will start to steamroll Caldari and the more we suceed, the easier it will be to steamroll them some more. This kind of positive feedback loop is exactly what we don't need. We need a negative feedback loop so the more you win, the harder it is to keep winning and the more you lose, the easier it is to win.

I haven't checked them out yet as I'm at work, but I will when I get off work unless my system has been flipped on SISI before I get off work.

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Blake Armitage
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-05-02 16:56:19 UTC
"This is the Singularity test server.

Can you smell the fumes of rocket exhausts? Hear the grinding innards of spinning turrets? Is there mangled space debris covering the Singularity login screen? That is because the missile war starts right here right now!"

Nice
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#120 - 2012-05-02 16:58:23 UTC
I hope you aren't expecting sympathy. The Caldari militia were perfectly happy to "win" the territory war (as much as one can "win" something that has no true victory condition and no real reward besides a rank pin) using an unbalanced mechanic (downtime shuffle) that it took CCP several years to fix. They then used a different unbalanced mechanic (off-enemy faction standings weirdness with NPCs) to sieze a large swathe of Minmatar territory. They loudly trumpeted their victory and made a big thing of how it was all perfectly legal and not an exploit - which, yes, I will concede that you were correct about.

Yes, Damar. You're right. In fact, I, Andreus Ixiris, will happily concede that pretty much everything you've said in this thread so far is entirely correct. You can mark your calendar if you like.

But - and this is a big but. Perhaps I'm a little ashamed to admit it, given that I'm trying to be nicer to everyone in EVE nowadays, but I won't lie. I can't help but feel a little bit of satisfaction, because this is pretty much precisely how we felt back when you guys were winning.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.