Missions & Complexes

THANK YOU CCP!

So i get an email saying "Come back, we've made changes!" Blah blah blah. And i think, sure! You, know, ive missed Eve and could always do with making my fortunes and helping people out etc.

So when i resub (with a PLEX thats sky high right now!) i then find that my community and the thing i like to do most, now pretty much no longer exists!

I used to be an FC within BTL Community and remember hundreds and hundreds of players in BTL all advertising fleets etc and quite a few FCs and community organisers in channels. But now, its a handful of people desperate to try and make little more ISK than solo-ing lvl 4s with barely anyone at the helm it feels.

So yes, Thank you CCP for destroying perhaps the biggest communities in Eve and ruining the EVE Raids (For you WoW trolls).
I sincerely hope 1-2 of these new changes are reverted, and soon too.

Jita is already on fire, dont make us Incursion Runners do the same to Amarr too....

You missed the bit where I said "topping out"...they didn't all make that, and the ones that did couldn't do it consistently.


L4's make 30-50m/h if you have half a brain, and require an order of magnitude less effort....just how low do incursions need to be pushed?

why people dont get it that incursions and their money involved really were adding more to pvp , also to industrialist . The money from there where spent to buying pvp ships to break all the time , that you buy t2 things , that people produce those. Now with limiting the money involved we all lose. PvPer's that had the incursion for their supply of ships will just buy less ships , cheaper ships also. That also include less money to people that produce that.

As for mining instead of limiting the other money why not fix the mining money involved and raise their profit in order to actually be profitable being a miner ( i am always talking about high sec things )

Those that say people will go low sec now they are mistaken. People that didnt go low sec , will stay high sec even if they nerf things to the bottom. If you deny their option to substain their accounts and limit the fun THEY want for them then they will just leave for another game.

We did dev blog about it, put it in patch notes and tell all the players the changes were on SISI, then we monitored the feedback and made changes again according to the feedback received from the Incursion community :) Bettik and I will continue to monitor the feedback and stats

Calling it now: CCP will re-assign, lay-off or otherwise divert resources so this change is never revisited. That is unless EVE's perennial cancers, CCP Greyscale or Soundwave, decide to make some arbitrary changes.

I'm sorry but I find this a little unbelieveable. Had you truly been in touch with players after the proposed changes hit Sisi, you would have seen an overwhelming concern growing in the Incursion community.

A proper assessment on the average completion time for sites was not done. Take the OTA as an example. Blitz fleets were completing the site in 2-3 minutes (because of target prioritization) while public fleets were taking 5-7 minutes per site. With the introduced nerf multiplying the required killed ships by several factors, that time has increased to a 7 minute blitz and 10-12 minutes for a casual fleet.

Keeping these things in mind, with the reduced payouts and the longer completion times, it's no wonder that players are switching to L4 missions. Why would I bother spending 3-4 Billion ISK to maximize the performance of my ship when I can get the same if not slightly better income with a T2 fit mission running battleship?

The change additionally comes at an inopportunate time with the massive changes to the EVE market under way. The cost of ships and modules are rising, and quite frankly, it means the cost of PVP and other such activities is rising too. Where previously many of us could run a few hours of incursions a week to pay for all of our ships, we will now need to dedicate a sizable portion of our gametime to generating ISK to keep up with the ailing market.

The direct effect will most probably see people unsubbing the excess accounts they don't need and can no longer afford to keep PLEXed up, and a further shift away from combat activities to return to the old grinds. Except this time it's with a bitter taste in the mouth because you gave the player base something better - then took it away.

You say you'll be monitoring the changes over the next few months. I say in the next few months, it will already be too late.

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You want isk go to low or null else settle for what you can get. Risk vs Reward.

This is more a result of people being terrible at this terrible game, than it is a result of "incursions are risky."

I'm not sure risk/reward is a good sole metric. Effort / reward, cooperatiopn/ reward, etc are pretty well demonstrated economic and social principles. Simply doing risk/reward would suggest that virtual russian roulette would be the best game ever made. Maybe the risk/reward kneejerks (who actually often live in pretty safe territory due to a coopertave alliance) ought to reconsider, or at least stop yammering their catchprases repeatedly and do a little thinking for a change. This isn't to say incursions posed no risk, merely that risk can't possiblu be the sole means of evaluation.