Missions & Complexes

Since the nerf, I'm on the remove Incursions bandwagon now!

And while your at it nerf WH and hisec too please.

Get rid of security status and make all of eve just like nulsec. With player corp empires that can wage war with NPC empires!

WH isk to ease ratio out of wack. NPC's in WH need to be harder!

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I don't entirely understand what all the complaining is about. The Vanguard sites are only slightly less profitable and not that much more difficult to blitz for a good fleet. They now merely require a more attentive FC and competent logistics. A Drake fleet with no webbers and crap composition can no longer make 60 mil an hour, but there's absolutely no reason why they should have been able to do so in the first place. A fleet with decent composition can make good ISK quite easily. Considering that running anomalies in null with a carrier usually doesn't yield more than 60mil ISK, I'd say the Vanguard sites are now quite nicely balanced.

It does take effort to put together a fleet now, but that's mainly due to lack of pilots at this point.

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jelly??? go to wh or stfu

I would have to agree that vg have been hurt far to much. Over the last week I have seen the incursion community in both high sec and low/null shrink drastically. Hqs and assaults seem to be active still but it is unlikely the any mothership site will be run as the rate at which the incursion profile changes has dropped terribly. I think this is because fewer vanguard sites are being run .
The 10% decrease in payout may have been enough to bring vanguards in line with the other incursion levels. The increase in time spent per site and the hacking can moving around and hacking be a requirement instead of a help has most likely caused this. High level skill point characters with faction battleships or t3 ships and faction fittings have these problems so I would guess that players with lower skill points and wallet have absolutely no chance of taking part in incursions any more.
The possibility of having 4-7 jamming npcs on the field in assaults has most likely hurt incursions as well.

Lol, you are wrong if you think this change will bring about juicy targets to shoot. It certainly won't.

You make it sound like the average fleet was making 150m/hr before the nerf....it just isn't true. Factoring in downtime and suboptimal site selection, a steady 150m/hr all day would be nearly impossible, and that's for a fleet full of pirate battleships. Your average PUG was probably topping out at 80 or so...more like 40 now.

That said, I do agree with vanguards being on the lowest tier as far as payout. (unless you count scouts )

But that's really the problem, isn't it? It gets less enjoyable to play a game with drastic, random, and arbitrary, changes.

It's been a good long while since I've felt the need to voice my opinion on the forums (not like it will actually get heard).

I work in the game industry as a designer so I KNOW that CCP designers must have thought about this nerf from the myriad of angles that it had to be systematically approached from. But I still cannot make sense of it. What the **** were you thinking?

After 8 years of playing this game, Incursions were the thing that made me resub again. Being able to jump into a group activity with strangers on short notice and for a reward that was actually worth the waiting and risk? That's a brilliant game mechanic. That's the kind of stuff that makes or breaks MMOs! It filled the gap between soloing level 4's in empire and plotting to take over the universe. One takes no commitment, the other takes a second job.

So here we are again back with the butterfly effect. You talked about how changes to criminal mechanics had a massive butterfly effect that you are only now reckoning with. Why have you so blatantly ignored it now? Did you fail to consider that nerfing incursions to lvl 4 income would cause so much of the thriving community to just say "**** it" and leave? Now those of us remaining are waiting twice, three times as long for a fleet. Start doing to isk/h math for that! How long until the last few of us leave? It's pretty clear that those of us sticking around are more interested in doing something group-oriented without job-like commitments. But there are only so many nights in a row that you can log on spamming channels for invites before you give up and head off to null sec.

So, let's be clear here:

Level 4's: No risk, solo, no waiting.

Incursions: Controlled but knife-edge risk, always group, always waiting.

There is no imaginable way that Incursions should be comparable to lvl 4's in terms of isk/h. Just no way. Period. I respect your work. I really, truly do. I know how hard it is to make a game. But you need to pay attention to the delicate group dynamics at play in incursions. Make them worthwhile again for the community or I fear come May 15th, a lot of us wont be logging on again.