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Those are called missiles.

I guess you could make all titans use missiles, but that's a stupid idea tbh.

Yep... agreed... Titans should be able to shoot subcaps as they do now, but... they are at the moment tracking
interceptors and that should not be possible or atleast be very hard. They can shoot BS and maybe some large BC but no frigates.

yes... the 5min Triage buff was the best thing that ever happend to Dreads

The problem is not tracking of Titans at this point, it's the counter means to any ship that tries to abuse tracking that is creating the problem.

Webbing got nerfed a while back because 3 webs on any ship reduce it's speed to the point where it will fall within the tracking of almost any ship. But it never actually fixed the problem because when you allow stacking of webs based on a % reduction, it's always going to screw a ship's speed.

Think about this, a 3000 m/s ship with 1 web is going to be reduced to 1200 m/s. The 2nd web is going to reduce it further down to about 500 m/s. We can stop right there and already see a problem. 500 m/s falls within the range of most BS CR guns tracking at 10km optimal. For a titan, this same ship falls within the Titan's tracking limits at about 50km Optimal. There's only 2 types of ships able to reach this speed in the first place in a usual setting. Oversized AB ships, or MWD ships. This means the only ways to break a ships tracking after 2 webs is a means of increasing your sig by 500% or, by limiting your ship with an oversized AB.

There's 2 ways to fix this. Eliminate stacking of webs, which is a highly unlikely solution, but honestly one of the best potential fixes to ship class size warfare. Or, Eliminate the range multiplier on tracking.

The 2nd one almost nobody understands, but is a huge problem with tracking in this game. Currently under the game mechanics, Sig radius only starts to impact quality hits significantly if the tracking limit of a ship is at 50% or more capacity. This is why you can hit a 0m/s transversal ship for basically full damage no matter what sig radius it has. But how does tracking actually work. Well since it's based on Rad/Sec, the further away your are from an object, the slower your transversal becomes.

So if a Titan has ~ .0100 Rad/Sec Tracking, this means for every 10km of range, it can track 100 m/s of speed. So at 50km range, It can track at up to 500 m/s of speed at full effect. At 100km it can track at 1,000m/s. Keep in mind that any ship that's orbiting only actually maintains about 80% of it's transversal speed potential, so If a titan can track up to 1,000m/s then you better have a ship capable of going ~ 1250 m/s if you even hope to orbit it beyond it's tracking.

Because of the way a battle field unfolds, it's very hard to keep everybody inside of 50km of all targets, so if you have 5-6 titans on field, chances are, 3 of them will be at appropriate range to hit a target that is either webbed or w/o an speed modules on. This means that BC's and BS at 50km range, will be hit very easily unless they add speed because they are well under that 50% of tracking that I mentioned where sig really starts to impact guns. And because these types of ships already have a large sig, unless they're teir 3 BC's, the sig reduction impact is not nearly as much until you hit almost the 80% limit of tracking instead of the earlier mentioned 50% limit.


The solution to this problem is simple... add a 3rd part to the calculation where range impacts the sig multiplier. It would be similar to a dilation in math where the farther you get from the center of the dilation, IE the guns shooting you, the more the sig would affect the calculation. The way I would personally do this is to give every gun in game a base range for it's Signature calculation. So for titan guns, this could be maybe 30km for their close range guns. If I dilate my range by a scale factor of 2 from this sig radius, then my range from the titan becomes 60, meaning the Sig of gun doubles. So at 60km, a close range Titan turret would have a Signature of 2,000 instead of the base 1,000. This would mean that ships wouldn't be penalized nearly as much for trying to fight outside of web range, or at the limits of web range.

For battleships, this means that adding an Afterburner instead or in addition to a MWD and fighting at ~ 50km would potentially break the titans tracking/sig calculation rather than allowing for the current Blapping.

30KM is just an example, obviously the number would have to be tweaked depending on what gun and what size it was. But the fix seems to fall within the current calculation scheme as a potentially easy fix to a huge problem w/o a total redesign of gun tracking or webs.


Basically, the effect is that the farther something is away from you, the harder it is to hit... rather than the current mechanic where, the farther it is from you, the easier it becomes to hit. Anyone who's ever been to a gun range would gladly tell you how ******* stupid that is. Signiture denotes size, and something at double the distance from you does not appear as the same size.

This is also a cool effect to help close range gun tracking issues such as the Blaster Mega because you can make it's base sig hold out to 50km meaning It will almost never have to worry about the Signiture issues. Meanwhile, you could nerf Pulses a bit since they already get the huge optimal advantage by making their Sig Range maybe 15km so that smaller ships gain an advantage by fighting at 30 or 50km. This means that Racial differences become much more noticeable and future balance isn't just a DPS / Range bullshit calculation like it always has been. In that example, Armor hacs might once again become a good counter to Abaddons, but a **** counter to Megathrons. This would possibly eliminate the 1 race fleet doctrines.

You could also boost rails very nicely with this sort of change by making their Signature hold much further than beams or Artilleries, allowing for much more quality hits.

That is called crossfire and being caught in it is supposed to hurt.

What advantage? With your calculation, regardless of size, damage application degrades well within optimal. A pulse zealot would already shoot with close to battleship gunsignatures at the end of its scorch optimal range, severely hindering it to shoot its own size.

Signature-reduced (Halos/Ganglinks) frigates would be immune to practically everything as long as they move.

Meaning everyone flies rails again, since beams and artileries cannot compete anymore?

And a heavy pulse 2 zealot with scorch and a single tracking enhancer has around 40km optimal.

So, at around the end of its scorch optimal, it gets close to battleship weapon signature. You can call me names however you like, my statement was neither trolling nor ********, just fact.

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And to make one thing clear - you do not break designs by testing their comfort zone. A good design is characterized by being a lot easier to apply correctly then incorrectly. And produce predictable, non-dramatic results in cases that were not specifically designed for.

If you can not be bothered to defend your theory against the problematic cases without insulting people, you yourself obviously do not think very highly of it.

Everything you write about tracking is a pure reproduction of the current game mechanics. What is there for me to avoid?

It's simply an introduction setting up your proposal of a new element in the chance to hit formula, that modifies weapon signature based on range. That has the potential to create circumstances similar to old nanophoons or domis where specific speed/signature combinations are invulnerable to entire classes of ship/weapon combinations since the range in which it can not be tracked switches directly into the range in where it is too diluted to be hit.

That is the fundamental problem in the practical implementation of your theory, which you leave completely unanswered except that it probably can be done by someone with a lot of per-gun tweaking.

Similar to.
Not the same, but alike in behaviour. Similar.

A ship that itself can still apply damage, but due to its speed/signature ratio can practically not be hit at all by a broad range of ships it is engaging.

Chimera needs to be able to fit a triage fit with a local tank of 3 hardners/amps(combined) + shield booster + cap II's

4 beta reactor CPR

3 cap RR (t1) 1 Cap. cap transfer and a t2 triage module


Thanatos, uh? what to do with this thing ? allow it to field fighters(only fighters to prevent superfast lock on smaller vessels fast and abuse sentries etc, if it becomes a problem) while in Triage? atleast it gets use of it's damage bonus then.

Assuming 2 RR modules and a triage module you'd get 1500 dps with 2 links, 1375 with 3 RR mods and only 1 drone link. from it with perfect skills, this could make it worth fielding in smaller engagements, Archon would be able to rep as much/more and tank alot more + transfer cap

Tank tradeoff for some extra dps, keeps the ship unique from the others and sort of makes sense for the "drone race and all that yo!" stuff

Not saying it's the perfect solution to fixing the Thanny but as it stands now it's by FAR the worst triage carrier by a big margain.