EVE General Discussion

Add NPC stations and mission runners to that list while we are at it

CCP just wants to stimulate losses to drive the economy.

Losing one ship in a fleet does not make it not a fight. The rest of the fleet will destroy the drifter and the evil NPCs will be defeated again.

Players will find ways to beat these Drifters and not lose ships all the time. But on occasion, more than happens now, ships will be doomsdayed off the field by the Drifters.

I am not sure why people are having such a hard time with this concept. Ships can explode, even while doing PvE. If they never explode, how is that challenging? Sounds like that means the content has been well and truly beaten if you can never fail.

Some of y'all are missing the big picture.

If you look at CCP's development of PVE content over the years, you notice a pattern: They make something, and that something is general built upon a high minded but ultimately unrealistic principle (like risk/reward being higher the further you go into danger, not understanding that many people will simply stay in safety and bleet on a forum about how they need mroe reward in safe space lol).

They will then see how things go, notice the unintended consequences. THEN they will put out a new version that learns from the lesson of the 1st thing. They did it with missions ,up to lvl 4s in high sec, 5s in low sec, pirate 4s in npc null, each level of mission haivng mroe and more battleship NPCs. They finally figured out that the problem with missions in dangerous space was that battleships took so long to kill that those missions became targets for people trying to force pvp.

So the fix was missions like the pirate epic arcs and FW missions and lately burner missions. Mission for fast, small ships that can survive in dangerous space and finish the mission quickly. And it works, people farm FW missions and low sec/null sec burners.

I think the same will happen with incursions. They made these incursions that resulted in very little incursion activity in low and null but great big whopping blobby blinged out incursion farming communities in high sec, because high sec is so safe and the incursions so predictable that risking a 5 bil isk ship isn't a risk at all.

So NOW they are making incursions that more resemble what the originals should have been: Desperate affairs for cheaper ships where losses are unavoidable but not fighting at all is a worse option (the original incursions changed the entire constellation to batop all other actvity, meant to encourage people to kill the incursion as soon as possible). You can't just bling your way to glory with a Drifter Incursion, you NEED to fly cheap as possible and be prepared to replace that lose. As others in this thread suggest, it might even been intended as a boon for the economy, because frankly, other forms of pve are so predictable and safe that ship losses are rare without outside player interference.

I take back my previous opinion of Drifter Incursions. BRAVO CCP, no you are getting it. For you nay says, just make a disposable Moa or Maller fleet and lets have at them Drifters.

Why should a sandbox game force anyone to do anything? If someone is happy grinding missions leave them be I say. If someone wants to gank miners in high sec, have fun. I'm sure some people relocate during Sansha incursions to continue their missions and mining thereby not forcibly subjected to content of which they have no interest.

I ask again Pedro, why would a sandbox based game force players to do anything?

As Goons and nullseccers love to say these days, you can't change human nature and behavior. It's a nice little fantasy but why should a mission runner undock in a ship that has a high probability of exploding and join with people they do not know (in a game that is designed such that you can not trust anyone, even your closest friend) if the rewards are so much worse than what can be made by undocking in a ship that they know will not exploded and make much more isk? All you're going to get forcing people to do something for less pay or even negative pay is resentment. But hay if CCP feels that there's too many people in EVE then this could be a good way to remedy that.

To be honest what will probably happen is that as the incursions hit HS the payouts will increase(something something RP reasons) so that your traditional sansha incursion runners will be motivated to run them.

Give people a reason to do something that isn't 'make the beatings stop'.

The beauty of Eve, since the beginning, is that something IS always happening. The tools are given by CCP and the memorable content, at least since I started in 2004, is made by the players. I think incursions are fantastic as they bring together people from various corps and alliances, etc. But the content is still driven by the players based on the "tool" of incursions that CCP provided.

I also think CODE, or groups like it, is fantastic as it generates content. Hell, I miss Hulkageddon. EvE thrives on player created content grown from pushing the boundaries of the tools created by CCP. THIS is what makes it unique among MMO's.

Something is always happening in EVE; if you think not, then go make something happen.

Can one not socially interact by being a member of a mining, industrial, mission running corp that has no interest in Incursions, PvP or low or null sec space?

I know a fellow, half way across the world from me, that has played over 10 years and never engaged in combat PvP. He rarely leaves his one small area of "home" space. He likes to make things, mine and run missions. He runs a small corporation with 30+ members. Those 30 members were recruited by him under those conditions. Most of his members are "solo PvE'ers" who do the occasional mining operation and sometimes run a mission with one or two corp members. He has members from six continents and the average time in game for his corp members is over 5 years.

I do not think the EVE population is as black and white as you think it is. I think classifying this play style as a "rut" is a bit insulting to those players. I think the game is big enough and varied enough to allow for all play styles simultaneously.

I would couch my argument not so much as defensive but more astonished. Astonished that people continue to think there is a proper or better way to play EvE. Also, I'm not picking on you personally it's just that I've been seeing a theme, and you're the one I chose to respond to. ;)

Some people will love the game and stay until it well and truly dies (soon (tm)). Others will enjoy the game for a few years or months and move on. I would suggest that that is more a reflection of their overall gaming style than anything else and that no amount of player or CCP created content will change this.

Hey guys. This doesn't kill the sandbox. Fozzie sov doesn't kill the sandbox. Sandbox means you can go around doing what you want. If you want to engage this new content you can. If you don't want to, you can go to the over 2000+ systems not effected by drifter incursions and do stuff there.

No one is forcing anything.

I think people are talking about the fact that (theoretically) if no one does anything the incursion will eventually cover all of K-space so there will be nowhere to go to, thus forcing you to either run the incursions or not undock.