Science & Industry

Just throwing it out there, we actually have a thread going with some good ideas in the Features and Ideas section

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=356048&find=unread

Just a few things we were talking about to make you want to bring a rorq out in the field, the ability to mine, industrial only jumps for black ops mining, mining drone bonuses, specialized mining drones... like a carrier's fighters. Maybe these threads can feed off of each other and we can all come out on top as this thread seems more combat based and mine is more indy based.

Actually, one is more likely to put an Orca in a belt, and accept any losses.

Go back to my post #13:


The last sentence is key.

My proposals (in several threads) have been for improvements that reduce risk, but don't eliminate it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4598337#post4598337

Looking at on grid use only, the Rorqual's current Risk vs. Reward is a 2.5B isk ship that is stuck in on spot for 5 minutes that is a massive hauler.

If CCP decreases the risk, the best option is to disconnect the boosting bonus from the Industrial Core. This only gets rid of the 5 minutes stuck in one spot, leaving you with a 2.5B isk hauler with 350k m3 of hold. Any increase in defense, whether it is a reinforced mode or POS bubble, it will just force escalation and extend the inevitable.

If CCP increases the reward, there are a couple of options. The first being the addition of mining capability. The restriction here is that they cannot give it a yield that exceeds that of a boosted Hulk or else everyone will stop using exhumers and switch to Rorquals. If Rorqual pilots will not risk their ships for a fleet of exhumers, why would they risk it for one mores yield?

The second option is to add a targettable Remote Mining Booster. These modules would target other ships to increase their yield. They would act similar to the carrier's RR modules, receiving a bonus while the Rorqual is deployed. They would have limited strength due to the number that could be fit to a ship. They would also make it so a Rorqual itself cannot out mine any ship, but by having it on grid you can make significant isk.

Hypothetical numbers (actual numbers would need to be balance for decent Risk vs Reward): Doubles targets yield, 3 modules fit per ship without ganking its current fit too heavily.

1 Skiff mines about 164k m3/hr * 3 Skiffs * 100% increase = 493k m3/hr
1 Hulk mines about 216k m3/hr * 3 Hulks * 100% increase = 647k m3/hr

Using a rough estimate of 255 isk/m3 for ore mined, that is 120m/hr using Skiffs and 165m/hr using Hulks.

The problem with removing OGB is that it would require your entire mining fleet to be in the same belt or have a booster at each belt. The concept is fine for combat since each boosting ship still has the capability to provide competative DPS, but with mining none of the boosting ships provide much yield.

If CCP added barge/exhumer level yield to boosting ships then I would totally buy into the removal of OGB.

Bsically good Idea, but I wouldn´t like having a rorq in a belt without an active mining role. Also the point that the only way to get out of PvP will be by jumping out is a great mess, as Jumpdrives do not work in Wormholes.

This Thread is maybe the best one to merge all rorq change ideas, as CCP is already watching it. So please apologize the double posting here also.


That is what I would prefer to be changed at the roqual:

Capital Industrial Ship Skill Bonuses:
- 5% Reduction in Fuel Consumption for industrial cores per level
10% bonus to effectivness of mining foreman warfare links per level when in deployed mode
20% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level
10% bonus to capital shield booster amount and capacitor need reduction per level
Can deploy 1 additional Capital Mining Drone per level

Role bonuses:
900% bonus to the range of Survey Scanners
200% bonus to Drone Control Range
100% Bonus to Mining Drone Yield and Capital Mining Drone Yield

Can carry Capital Mining Drones
Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously


3000 m³ dronebay, 250MBit Dronebandwith
3.000.000 m³ Ship Maintenance Bay (for about 15 Hulks or defense ships, so not industrials only)

Capital Mining Drone: 250m³ Volume, 25Mbit Bandwith, 10 of them will mine as much as 1 hulk does (incl. the Bonus to their yield the roq would have), 2750m³ Ore Bay so they only have to come back when 1 Jetcan (27500m³) is full.

Industrial Core: Duration 60, Consumption 100, increases all resistances by 30% like a bastion module does. Ore compression is still possible.

Instead of having Clone Vat Bays for ships I would add Clone Vat Arrays for posses. But I am not sure how important they are for titans or any other ship which can fit them.


The idea is, that the roqual will be able to switch their drones when its getting attacked while it would have a very strong tank. The miners have to get back to switch to their combat ships and defend it until its Cap is empty or no attackers are left.
Dronebay would be big enough to carry 10 Capital Mining Drones and 10 Geckos or other Combat Drones, but too small for any fighter, while the Capital Mining Drones would be too big for any other Mining Ship. Bandwith would be enough for 10 Capital Mining Drones or 5 Geckos or other Combat Drones.
Survey Scanner, Capital Tractor Beam and Drones would have a range near to 200km. So while mining the ship could stay outside the belt, pull the cans and compress the ore. If anyone is attacking it, it will have a tank like Marauders have in Bastion Mode.

This all is written from my point of view as a wormhole miner. I know there are different circumstances in low or Nullsec. This suggestion could be even too hard for wornhole and maybe too weak for K-Space. But I am not a developer and it is in CCP´s responsibility to have a good balance between all kind of spaces. So the main thing I want to tell is how my vision of the role of a rebuilded roqual is.

Actually many more than you think. Your argument is like saying: I can't build my capitals in Delve to supply the local market because people will shoot my tower and i don't have batphones!

If you have the ISK to be risking a rorqual in space, you have the potential to cut deals and make arrangements that benefit both parties

Wasn't there some suggestion that the rorq would at some point be used for building new stargates? Perhaps I'm just rememberinng that wrong.
Anyways I agree with the poster above that offensive bonuses should be kept well away from this ship, it's just not what it was intended for. Defensively, could keep in theme with smaller ore ships, have a built in warp core stab. Meaning if pointed by an interceptor or 2 it could still cyno back to safety. Alternatively I reckon it would be fun if whilst deployed in industrial mode it would have a short reinforce mode, maybe half an hour or less which gives it survivability based on the response of the pilot's corp or alliance. If they can't respond to save the rorq in time, well sucks for them. But it would help protect this expensive defenseless ship from marauding gangs of interceptors and hotdrops.
Industry wise, I'd love to see a rorq with a capital mining laser but I can imagine a year down the line where every nullsec home system is filled with afk mining rorqs...
And that would not be good imo.

P.s yellow bee-striped rorqs ftw

Just another Idea:

Why don´t think about the Mining Role itself? Not only for the Roqual, but for all Mining ships. Why do we always have to be the harmless sheep's running away, if anybody with an evil face is just looking at us? Why can´t we be the (weaker) wolf in sheep´s clothing?

What I mean is, much miners are getting attacked or ganked every day without having a chance to strike back. So here is my idea: add 2 or 3 launcher slots ( as mining laser and strippers do need turret slots) to every mining ship in New Eden. Add a little bit more to CPU and PG so that all can be fitted and then let miners strike back!

2 Miners could be able to fight against 1 ganker (T1 Ship) and may be win. I would think about having nearly same dps like follows:

2 Venture = 1 T1 Frigate
2 Prospect = 1 Destroyer
2 Barges = 1 T1 Cruiser
2 Exhumer = 1 T1 (Battlecruiser(Combat))
2 Orca = 1 T1 Battleship
2 Roqual = 1 Carrier or so

OK you wouldn´t probably never see 2 Roquals in 1 Belt, but that´s not the thing. Thing is, it wouldn´t probably change much to low or large scale PvP Fleets (except some interesting new trap strategies), but single Ganker may have problems to fight against Hole Mining Fleets.
This could solve the afk cloaky problem in K-Space as it could also force Miners all over New Eden to work together (So more sheeps on the field to kill).
If you want to force miners to pvp, then give them teeth.

I take it you haven't heard of a battle-Skiff.

Compression is not null and void for the Rorqual. The heavy water requirement for compression is fairly insignificant, and not having to maintain a separate POS for compression and not having to buy a compression array which will take up PG/CPU in my POS or force me to play an annoying online/offline module game when using my POS is actually valuable. I plan on using my Rorqual for compression where it is convenient to do so.

The compression array is mostly for high seccers with no Rorqual access.

If you're really an industrialist who has a Rorqual and operates in null or low, there is no reason for you not to have realized this fact. Trust me, you'll still be using your Rorqual for compression. Especially during mining ops in systems where you don't have a POS with a compression array set up. If they don't jack up this Rorqual rebalance, groups may just be able to have mining ops and use the Rorq where you don't have a POS at all.