EVE General Discussion

Better to keep it in one thread than for many copies to be created.

Easy solution, just remove high/low and don't let players hide in NPC stations any longer, no more hiding behind the system for anyone, no CONCORD nor any such system as such. Let alliances bloody well police their own territory. Let alliances determine auto-penalties for attacking other alliance members. Break a lot of the existing gates, more choke points, more defensible system chains for alliances. Turn the map into basically a lot of islands.

Ridicule you? Why? You sound like a right proper Eve industrialist to me.

I honestly can't believe this thread is still going on... As others have said, though, better to keep the mess in one place than let it spread.

Here's a 30-day anti-ganker alt skilled primarily for ECM (total time without implants is 29 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, 41 seconds). It primarily uses a Griffin, but can do a fly-ahead to provide a warp-to using a Condor, as well.

Starting Race: Caldari, any bloodline.
REMAP TO 27 Per, 21 Wil
Train Caldari Frigate to V
REMAP TO 27 Int, 21 Mem
Train Electronic Warfare to V
Train CPU Management to V
Train Signal Dispersion to IV
Train Projected Electronic Counter Measures to III
Train Afterburner to III
Train High Speed Maneuvering to III
Train Acceleration Control to II
Train Propulsion Jamming to I

Total SP: 1,670,342 SP

Ship: Griffin
High Slots: Empty
Mid Slots: 5x Compulsive Ion Field ECM I
OR 4x Compulsive Ion Field ECM 1, 1x Experimental 1mn Afterburner I
Low Slots: Empty
Rigs: 2x Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I

[b]Total Cost: <1.5m ISK

Have a perch off-grid of the gate and either D-Scan or warp in when you see people in local go GCC. Warp to 0 on the gate and start jamming. If the ganker group is fairly well-coordinated and has bumped their target well-away from the gate, then you need to step up your own game and skill into a Falcon and keep a closer eye on them. When the gankers skill up their game, you have to skill up yours, as well.

Yes, it's a weak ship. If any of the gankers go after you, you're going to lose your (cheap) ship. HOWEVER, if they actually went after you, that's even less DPS that's going on their intended target. Congrats, because that would be a very, very good thing!

Even if they went after you and manage to catch your pod, the grand total loss for this is under 2m ISK, and you've probably saved their target because of it.

Now, let's say that the gates and groups you are trying to anti-gank are (or become) bumpers. This is where the High Speed Maneuvering, Acceleration Control, and Propulsion Jamming come into play. In a case like this, you switch over to a Condor, fit a MWD, a trio of webs, and a trio of Small Auxiliary Thruster I's on it, and burn ahead of the soon-to-be gankee in the direction they're being bumped (better yet, if you frequent the system, have a dozen or so bookmarks around the gates that you can warp to to save the time of flying there manually each time).

Get them to fleet with you, and duel you if you can manage it, then warp to you when you're >150km away. As soon as they get to you, they should align out and, after they get a small bit of speed up, hit them with a trio of webs, and watch in glee as they get away. If you can actually convince them to duel you, great! otherwise, the Condor, fit thusly, is under 1.25m ISK.

Of course, the fly-ahead requires that the intended gankee not be AFK. If they're AFK, well, they deserve to lose their ship.

Anyway, since both of these ships are cheap and easy to kill, what's stopping the gankers from suiciding on you right before they start their gank run?

CONCORD. If you're on-grid with their target, they're going to have to lure CONCORD away before they can do much. And guess what? It's going to take about the same amount of time to get CONCORD out of the picture as it will for you to reship and get back on-grid (so long as you have a stack of anti-gank ships in the system with you, and your clone, in case you got podded). If would actually be better for the gankers to just ignore you and bring enough DPS to out-DPS your ECM, which will lower their gain and make it more of a pain to do, especially if they're Taloses.

There you all go: a cheap, 30-day anti-ganker alt. Who knows? If you do well, the people you saved might be willing to toss you a handful of change as thanks. After all, you just saved their billion-plus ISK ship, not counting the cargo and collateral!

...then again, all of this would require initiative and effort, so hey, what are the chances that the would-be gankees actually bother trying it?

I would equate blasters more with flamethrowers. An Uzi is more like an Autocannon.

All that effort, and it would be a total waste. Do you honestly think Gankers are that stupid to leave a ECM ship hanging around their gank? You would be dead before you could lock a target.

Ehh, even if they are smart and keep ECM ships @ proper range, it really does not matter. They get two choices:

1) Try to ECM the bigger stuff (Talos, Brutix, etc) which have a crap ton of midslots mostly loaded with ECCM. Even with great jamming skills, the chance of actually landing a jam is pretty low - and due to the ECM cycle time, they get one shot to actually jam anything during the entire battle.

2) Try to ECM the smaller stuff (Catalysts) which are also ECCM fit - but due to ship type and mid-slot limits have a higher chance of landing a jam. We always take the time to calculate the EHP of the target and how much ECM we expect, and we bring enough ships to just power right through a few being jammed out.

Anti-Gankers have been trying to stop us or at least slow us down with ECM for months now, with no success. It's almost like they just want it to work SO badly that no amount of failure will change their minds.

ECM is great for disrupting a solo ganker or small gank ganks, but to think these tactics will work against a large well organized fleet is pure madness. They will need to bring more then a couple throwaway griffins or covops cloak and start to think outside the box, which will likely never happen :P

You've got to be kidding me.

So it seems like the correct answer to getting freighters through Aufay right now, aside from paying the troll toll, is don't try?

If only there was a way to get nearly 1,000,000 EHP with over 150k m3 cargo...
If only there was a way to get nearly 500,000 EHP with over 500k m3 cargo...

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