Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1. This seems like the best solution, and I don't understand why CCP didn't implement it. I don't think they (nor the CSM) have fully thought through all the ramifications of allowing battleships to be so easily brought into C1 w-space. Granted, you could always build them inside, but at least that took substantial time, effort and resources (hauling in or mining the minerals, etc.). With this change, I can haul 20 or so battleships into the C1 system in a little over an hour, before the wormhole collapses.

When wormholes were introduced in Apocryphya, there was a lot of thought put into balancing the six different WH classes, including what ships could be brought in, corresponding difficulty of the Sleeper sites, rewards vs. risk, etc. And developers put in a lot of effort to get all the wormhole mass limits and ship masses set up properly. This balance has worked well for over 5 years (one of the few things in Eve that was done right from the start and hasn't needed tweeking/fixing). Why break that now, when you could have easily achieved the DST cargo boost through other solutions?

hehehehehe......cool thing i jus bought my mastodon yesterday :P

Still can't mine in a Bustard or Impel, please give these ships at least one turret hardpoint.
Otherwise I'm delighted with this update!

To get over 100% is impossible, but the Fitting-Window will show 100% when you have your resi at 99,1 or higher because it is rounded up (as you can see in the Screenshot)
http://puu.sh/8U5HA.jpg
In this case I had explo-resi at 99,37 (acording to EFT)

this is going to give this ship one hell of a role \0/ not only for moving things but let me put it to you this way dedicated orca hauller any one

60k m³ Fleethanger??

I've always been a Gallente fan and had an occator in my hangar usually for keep sakes since the Iteron Mark V was always better at hauling more and was significantly faster. Considering that I live in FW space (i.e. The most dangerous space in game at the moment) I usually just used the Viator and made a few runs to haul in a load of cruisers or modules. Anyways I undocked the Occator with the alt yesterday, flew it over to Jita travel fit and then proceeded to load up 5 cruisers and 10 frigs into the Occator and moved them back to my HQ in lowsec.

Needless to say, these new DST are the perfect mid sized haulers for lowsec now. The specialized T1 ore, ammo, etc holds are nice but the multipurpose DST to haul everything at once is just convenient. The alt is about to finish training Transport ships lvl 4 and will start on lvl 5 right after. +1 for listening to the players and finally giving us a good mid-sized hauler.



Also, for those who are still thinking about the tanking and OH bonuses being pointless. Don't look at it in the situation of if you get caught off a gate because 99% of the time you're dead. Think about it instead about when you undock on a kick out station and need to make it back 1-2km or when there's a tornado or two hoping to just alpha you before you can warp off. That's where the tanking will help. It's nice to have during those random moments.

"I didn't bother to read OP"

Hello,

This is my Post patch feedback on the Kronos changes for the Deep Space transports based on my experience with it.



Before the release of Kronos I tested the DST tank in singularity. I instantly noticed that the tank would not be viable as active tank. Yes, even with the bonus an active tank is frail at best and passive tanks can be broken. Even with the 100% to the overheat bonus, the tank is not viable, passive or active, against a serious opponents of which there are many in low and null-sec which is where the Deep space transport is supposed to live. Even with a 70k EHP passive tank it only serves to delay the inevitable which is the destruction of the ship. You can be bumped returning to the gate which happens all the time and is the MO of any seasoned pirate so returning to gate is mostly out of the question considering you speed and agility; 1 bump is allthat is needed for them to have enough time to kill you.

MEDIUM MICRO JUMP DRIVE

IN NULL SEC
After also testing it in singularity I immediately noticed that the medium micro jump drive is also useless in a ship made for the passing of stargates in low/null sec space. The activation time is simply to long for it not to be completely nullified by one single warp scrambler and even though you retain your ability to warp the whole idea of a micro jump drive is so you can pass bubbles which you can't if your scrammed. This makes it so if there is a bubbled gate, there is not chance of making it out if your scrammed.



IN LOW SEC
In low sec the need for the microjump module is less because of the inability to use bubbles. But we also run into the same problem, a single scram can get you flunked. So let say that by an off chance that scram is a Heavy interdicter with a scrip on it and you are perma-flunked and unable to microjump either; A two for one no one wants. Now include the fact that DST are slow for starters and that the MJD takes a spool up time of 12 seconds, that gives a heavy interdicter more than enough time to put that infinite point on you right from the jump in, since the heavy interdicter at level 4 has a range of at least 28 meters with the scrip going; giving a Deep transport ship not time to do anything at all be it warp or micro jump and try to warp after. The returning to the gate and being bumped is probably more prevalent in low sec since returning to the gate at this stage would be the only possible solution.

ADVISORY
For all those troll prone posters who would like to start saying "Ohh that's what scouts are for" so you don't get caught in a camp, It's important to remember that making this type of ship, and by that I mean non capital, balanced on the use of more than one account, be it by the transport ship user or a friend, is not balance at all. All ships are viable solo at their job unless their job is to support a fleet. This would make it unprofitable to even use deep space transport ships in the first place. And it's this same attribute by which people prefer using blockade runners than DST because of their ability to go through blockades with such a good survival/death ratio without the absolute need of a scout. Please read "absolute" as it's good if you have it but your not completely flunked if you don't.



Well then you might ask yourself how we make this ship viable for the use as a deep space transport without making it completely uncatchable/overpowered. The answer could be a simple one. Instead of having a 100% to overheat bonus which will only be used when you are already completely flunked, remove it and for every level in transport ships give it a 15% bonus reduction to spool up time to the micro jump drive or a 75% reduction to spool up time of the micro jump drive.

REASONING

Tanking has never been the strongpoint of a transport ship and even if tanking abilities were made 100 times better the idea of the ship is to get the good to their respective place safely and not brawling it out. By giving DST ships a bonus to spool up time of microjump drive you do 2 things. The first of these is that it makes so that a level 5 transport ship pilot dedicated to transport ships can put some distance from his attackers and him in a considerably short amount of time and second by reducing the spool up time but not eliminating it you create a window for the pilot being caught.

With this proposed change the spool up time of the medium micro jump drive could be as low as 2.25 seconds. Fast enough to put some room in between you and your attackers but not fast enough to be uncatchable by dedicated long points or camps ready to catch a ship.

Diminishing micro jump time wont get you past gate camps since 2 seconds is more than enough for a frigate or dedicated point to eliminate your ability to use the MJD... As for Hughsec transport part; well if that was the case there wouldnt be a tanking bonus in the first place. Gank is the name of the game in highsec and they will do it no matter what ship you have.

I just feel that there is no reason for a tanking bonus on a ship that can't tank worth a damn and if it needs to tank it's because it will probably die anyway to whatever caught it since there is no way he is getting back to the gate with a AF overheated while being bumbped. He will burn it out and then die.