Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I really don't see that, could be my play style.

In my eyes, transport is about cargo capacity, speed, survivability. once a transport is tackled it has only one option get the hell out of there (aside the bait/battle fit).
so the first step would be avoiding being tackled ( stabs (low slot), nano's (low slot) keep signature low (keep low on the shields))

If you do get tackled you need to get out of there as fast as possible (speed) and align time again. Even if you would for instance be able to work your way back to a gate in the Bustard, you'll get tackled again on the other side, because your shield blooming, slower turning Bustard will easily be tackled again, and have a smaller cargo bay as well, while having no bonus on the fleet hangar either.

I think the set up as they have made it now, will do the same as what happened with the Logistics ships, has anyone seen a Osprey or basilisk lately?

Is the MJD affected byt he +2 warp?

Meaning, if someone scrams you, but you can warp away due to the point, will that still shut down the MJD because the ship overcomes the scram?

Basically does the MJD benefit from the +2 Warp Core Strength or not. IMO it should as the same thing prevents warp, MWD and MJD. Where using a long point only disables the warp core, not the modules anyway?

I have honestly never flown a DST so not sure if a scram shuts down the MWD either, but should the +2 warp core strength apply to it as well??

I think the fix should be orca/DST goes flashy if recieving stolen goods as this sounds like an exploit to get around loot flagging,
with green safeties prevent people from putting stuff in there.

Any one taking form a flashies hangar should also go flashy.

Interdiction null to make DST prefered in null sec while BR still prefered in HiLo

Actually, you can.

By activating both the MJD and Cloak on the same server tick they will still both go through. Keypress order matters though so you need to hit cloak first or else the process fails.

So yes, you can spool up while cloaked with an MJD. Once you jump the 100km however you will decloak.

These look like a wonderful starting point for me, but here's my thoughts:

There are only two DST's, not 4. There is exactly 0 racial flavor, and no particular reason to fly one over the other besides the fact that 'I have caldari industrial 5'. Why can't we mix things up a little bit more?

Perhaps Amarr and Caldari DST's get defensive bonuses, and Gallente and Minmatar get offensive ones? Basically Gallente would now focus partially on being able to escape, but also on say the ability to blow up tackle ships. Give them really great drone bonuses or something. Let the minmatar one pack a full set of 4 or 5 autocannons or something to pick off interceptors, and small web range bonuses or something (20 km webs?).

perhaps consider giving the caldari and amarr ones HP bonuses instead of velocity bonuses.. for more variety

I understand where you're coming from. I've spent a good deal of time basically living out of my Prorator (four nanos (or int stabs) in low makes it the most agile BR without looking at rigs; it holds up if you rig it for maneuverability as well, but I doubt anyone would do that and fall below the 10k threshold), so I'm all about avoidance in my play style. But keep in mind not all environments are equally favorable for various setups.

If you're in 0.0, you want to avoid combat as much as possible. An unescorted DST is dead if it's caught. An escorted DST has to tank the damage until the escorts can deal with the aggressors. A Bustard is going to last longer in a fight. The Mastadon, meanwhile, might avoid the gank, but even set up for avoidance, it's still a brick to fly, and if caught it has a lower chance of survival.

In low sec, I'll give it to the Mastadon. You're not going to have frigs trying to tackle you because the gate guns will take them out, which means you're dealing with slower locking and moving cruisers and higher. Maneuverability goes to the defender.

Hi-sec ganks, I'll go back to the Bustard. Now you just need to hold out until CONCORD deals with your aggressors.

That's how I see it. And frankly, I like how there appears to be a valid alternative to speed and maneuverability when it comes to secure transport.

Thanks for the explanation, I see your points, though I find that a very small niche.

Point is, that with these specialized ships the trade offs that you have with the combat ships for instance, are not the same.
On a combat ship a midslot can be used for e-war for instance, there isn't any need for e-war on these ships. so 5 or 6 midslots isn't a real thing. that extra low slot can be used to cancel out that mid slot. it can hold a DCU, or an extra cargo extender and fill it with cap boosters, to name 2 or it can be used to be faster, more agile, have a larger cargo hold, or be more warp stable.

It gives you more options.

Aside from that it is already faster, more agile and has a smaller signature, exactly the same base cargohold and the same fleet hanger.

the Mastodon is superior on the max cargo, max speed, fastes align time, most warp stable and is able to close the EHP difference to very little or nothing if it wants to.

Because of the difference in mechanics of these ships the same thing will happen as with the Logistics ships.

Do cargo extenders affect Fleet Hangars? Honestly don't know as I've never flown a ship with them. If not, as it stands now, extra cargo space isn't really a thing for these ships. (Which I like: flying an Impel, I don't need to choose between tank and cargo, which has been an annoyance as base cargo always got nerfed to counter all the lows.)

Keep in mind the midslots can also be used for propulsion mods, especially useful with MMJDs, as well as supporting extra cap.