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Please consider giving all of the Barges and Exhumers enough tank that if properly defended by other ships, the ship will survive or escape. The Retriever, Mackinaw, Covetor, and Hulk have 3/4s the EHP of the new Procurer or Skiff.

I know Eve is all about the pick one: speed, gank, or tank; but mining yield is not gank. Gank is DPS and mining lasers deal 0 dps.

I see the frigate as a Speed ship, give it good mobility.

With your groupings do the following:
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense: Extra tank.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Extra speed, give these guys a GOOD time to warp, around 6s or less, maybe a built-in warp stab.
Covetor/hulk. Extra GANK! Give these ships the ability to SHOOT. Let them use weapon systems. (without removing strip miners.)


Good luck!

That was my question as well.

Sentry drone on a frigate would be a bit dumb - sentry needs Drone Interfacing IV, which is a rather longish skill to train for a frigate, on top of Drone Sharpshooing IV. That's a week of training if I remember right. And a sentry is pretty useless against frigates anyway, except when they're on approach. When they get close, it's over, even a Garde II won't track them.

And I don't see how any other drone can be considered a "sniping" weapon, not unless CCP plans to drastically boost the drone travel speeds across all sizes, or give them jump drives or something. Because even lights take a bit of time to cover 40km, especially Gallentean ones.

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Please explain when these are coming i just noticed

"So, when all of this is going out you ask? These changes will be out by the time the winter expansion hit, which will leave us in a very good shape to start overhauling tech 1 cruisers and battlecruisers next year, possibly earlier if things go well."

Out by the time winter expansion hits......

does that mean that these will be coming out during inferno 1.1 releases and further, or are these coming WITH the winter expansion....

Its a confusing way you guys said it as you said there summer changes and winter expansion is mentioned....

But you later say they will be OUT by the time winter hits so you can start cruisers....

Does this mean that frigates and destroyers are inferno 1.2 / 1.3 things perhaps... and Cruisers start in Winter?

All good points. But of course CCP coming from a glacial island will continue to move at a glacial pace. So even when they inadvertently create the next Drake and Tengu in 5 years or so, they will take another 5 years to fix that.

Should have known when the CFC adopted the Drake fleet doctrine last Winter that they (he) was operating on the inside knowledge that the Drake wasn't slated for alteration for a good long time still. Thanks, CCP. Looking forward to yet more years of Drakes and Tengus online.


Also a good point. Griffins do not need any buff. And still waiting for a sensor integrity skill, better eccm, or eccm that is point based and not percentage based such that frigs, destroyers, cruisers, and even battlecruisers are not easy jams.


And another good suggestion. One of the frigate lines, maybe the sniper role, could be folded into the new destroyer. Would mesh with "orbital bombardment" role.

Lastly, concerning the missile frigs, of course you will undoubtedly make the amarr and gallente armor tanking. Then you will not give them enough speed and agility to get in range with their probable rocket systems. And it won't matter anyway because if they try to fit buffer in the vain attempt to get in range of the light missile shield tankers, the plates will only slow them further. Stay true to form CCP.

Meet the new balancing - same as the old balancing

agreed theres already a browler blaster frigate, so unsplitting its weapon system and giving it missle bonuses is a damn good change finally.

I like this blog!



My brain tingled of joy.



hehe, small ganking nerf. This will be music to the miners ears. I also love the new mining ideas (not that I mine but still)

And destroyers:

I thought that destroyers would get some kind of advantage with their inclusion in the trailer for DUST. Good to see those get extra ships also. AND buffing the Coercer, yesplease.

In short, here is my money. Where do I put it?

Could you please please make the Skiff (or Mackinaw in its new role) into a Ninja Mining barge?
Great agility (3 to 4 sec align time max), +2 warp strength and perhaps a bonus to signature radius or regular cloak.

I'd love to be able to sneak into a system, mine the good stuff and not having to warp out as soon as someone else appears in local. Instead the ship should allow for the miner to only having to warp off when someone is actively gunning for you.
If someone warps to you the warp strength and agility should allow for a quick get away but you will still be vulnerable to being nabbed by a cloaked ship or a gang of inties. Staying alert and monitoring directional and local should make all the difference (leaving it up the pilot).

As for cargo expanders, what will their new effect be?
I currently Cargo mine with my Hulk as I always have, never using a jetcan.
Will my cargo expanders now be useless?

What will happen to the current roles of the Exhumers (mining Mercoxit, Ice)?

P.S. Can we have the old strip miner sounds back? Those actually sounded like they did something.

Miners will be miners, gankers will be gankers. Such is the nature of our world.

Looking forward for the new changes/challenges.

Maybe it would be better to introduce the cruiser rebalancing into the same expansion. Good T1 frigates like rifters can already easily kill most of the lower tier cruisers, with the coming changes every t1 frigate would be able to beat the crap out of most of the original lower t1 cruisers to a point where they would be completely obsolete.

Of course, once all these changes go live, some spread sheet nerds will determine the ideal set up using what shall be determined as the one best, specific ship and claim anyone using anything but this particular ship and module combination as "fail!"