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Eve Radio Midnight Tonight: This week in review, with Trebor, Seleene, Two Step and... The Mittani

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Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#201 - 2012-04-01 02:54:20 UTC
Frederick Sanger wrote:
Berke Negri wrote:


only disturbing thing here is your obsession with mittani


Being totally fixated and obsessed with another man is completely healthy.

only when it is sex-positive
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#202 - 2012-04-01 02:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

It's kinda telling that you use Brendon's name here but call Alex "Mittens".

It wasn't "mittens" who farked-up, it was Alex.


/just sayn


Since he posts on Massively by his real name, not a pen name or pseudonym, what would you like me to call him?


IMHO you should probably not have called him at all and should have spoken to Massively's Management. All you did was provide a public forum for Alex to bully an author into a retraction while playing the victim for an audience.



Something you're probably not aware of, is that Brendon is an acquaintance of mine, and we speak quite often. While Mittens was on air talking, Brendan was typing as fast as his fingers could giving me his side of things even while mittens was presenting his own side. I asked if Brendon would like to join us so we could attempt to put things straight between the two of them rather than have a one sided Mittani rant on air without Brendon being able to present his side of things.

What you did not get to hear on the stream during the broadcast (you got a synopsis of it when we came on) was me making it very plain to all parties involved that if things started to get ugly on air, I was going to pull the plug, so however they wanted to discuss their views, it needed to stay Civil.

Brendon is also a stand up guy, who owns what he does. Before the show even started, he'd already informed me that he was writing up his next Eve Evolved column for this weekend with retractions and apologies for his part in what he himself had determined was the use of a buzzword label that wasn't serving as responsible media coverage, and that was before I or Mittens had brought it up to him.


Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and then basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2012-04-01 02:59:53 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

The label was not wrong, I think the pressure on him to change a correct label was crazy to here. And Alex using and misrepresenting what people think cyber bullying is and was terrible. And no one challenged him on it. Someone needed to say hey wait a second this is what Most people think it is. You are saying its X.


Cyber-bulling is absolutely a loaded phrase especially within the context of video games, which are viewed by the general public as an inherently youthful hobby. The phase itself itself conjures up an image of an emotionally defenseless and immature 12 year-old who is in need of protection and not a middle-age adult who should have the agency to defend himself.
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#204 - 2012-04-01 03:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Berke Negri
Doc Fury wrote:

Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and them basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.


and by "constantly using" mittens "real name" it seriously "makes you" look like a total psycho

so best of luck with that, i guess
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2012-04-01 03:02:01 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

It's kinda telling that you use Brendon's name here but call Alex "Mittens".

It wasn't "mittens" who farked-up, it was Alex.


/just sayn


Since he posts on Massively by his real name, not a pen name or pseudonym, what would you like me to call him?


IMHO you should probably not have called him at all and should have spoken to Massively's Management. All you did was provide a public forum for Alex to bully an author into a retraction while playing the victim for an audience.



Something you're probably not aware of, is that Brendon is an acquaintance of mine, and we speak quite often. While Mittens was on air talking, Brendan was typing as fast as his fingers could giving me his side of things even while mittens was presenting his own side. I asked if Brendon would like to join us so we could attempt to put things straight between the two of them rather than have a one sided Mittani rant on air without Brendon being able to present his side of things.

What you did not get to hear on the stream during the broadcast (you got a synopsis of it when we came on) was me making it very plain to all parties involved that if things started to get ugly on air, I was going to pull the plug, so however they wanted to discuss their views, it needed to stay Civil.

Brendon is also a stand up guy, who owns what he does. Before the show even started, he'd already informed me that he was writing up his next Eve Evolved column for this weekend with retractions and apologies for his part in what he himself had determined was the use of a buzzword label that wasn't serving as responsible media coverage, and that was before I or Mittens had brought it up to him.


Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and them basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.



Make a thing of accountability and integrity only to have huge gaps in the interview.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#206 - 2012-04-01 03:02:46 UTC
Frederick Sanger wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

The label was not wrong, I think the pressure on him to change a correct label was crazy to here. And Alex using and misrepresenting what people think cyber bullying is and was terrible. And no one challenged him on it. Someone needed to say hey wait a second this is what Most people think it is. You are saying its X.


Cyber-bulling is absolutely a loaded phrase especially within the context of video games, which are viewed by the general public as an inherently youthful hobby. The phase itself itself conjures up an image of an emotionally defenseless and immature 12 year-old who is in need of protection and not a middle-age adult who should have the agency to defend himself.



What "label" would you use exactly? Truthfully?

Also, can you understand why the "media" or laymen might use that term vs, incitement to suicide?

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#207 - 2012-04-01 03:04:25 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:


Imagine listeners cant know this stuff. Your telling us now, way after the fact.

Even then the way the mittani, ALEX since we are using peoples real names, interview went was not an interview you gave him a platform to rant and witch hunt against massively.

Whom unlike ALEX the MITTANI, did not actually do anything wrong.

The label was not wrong, I think the pressure on him to change a correct label was crazy to here. And Alex using and misrepresenting what people think cyber bullying is and was terrible. And no one challenged him on it. Someone needed to say hey wait a second this is what Most people think it is. You are saying its X.

It came off as a one sided propaganda piece. Withe a beaten down massively editor being brow beat into submission.

Knowing him and being a mate and rules and guidelines etc do not change that fact. Honestly you should have said Please refrain from using his full name at least.


First, I haven't used his full name here, but that's hardly of consequence, since he blogs using his full real life name.

You are perfectly entitled to the opinion that the label should stick, and I'm not here to tell you how to think.

You're claiming Brendon was browbeat by the mittani on air, I've had others complain that it was a Dr. Phil session with the two of them just hugging it out and kissing and making up. A lot of people found it very civil, and have commented that they expected it to be abrasive, but were surprised it wasn't.

And I never told any of those people what to think. As I've said before, the purpose was to put the unedited views of those involved out in front of you to make your own mind up. If everyone was responding the same way, then I'd have done a **** poor job at what I set out to do. The fact that responses here and elsewhere have ranged from how you feel, to middle of the road, to the complete opposite, and everyone seems to have taken something different from the coverage tells me things went pretty well.

I'm sorry you're upset.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#208 - 2012-04-01 03:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Berke Negri wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and them basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.


and by "constantly using" mittens "real name" it seriously "makes you" look like a total psycho

so best of luck with that, i guess



Alex was not in-game roleplaying as "The Mittani" when he committed his despicable act. Otherwise CCP would not have sanctioned him, it would not have placed CCP in legal jeopardy , and he would not have apologized.

So, the person at issue is not "mittens".

Hopefully you get that?

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2012-04-01 03:05:47 UTC
Frederick Sanger wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

The label was not wrong, I think the pressure on him to change a correct label was crazy to here. And Alex using and misrepresenting what people think cyber bullying is and was terrible. And no one challenged him on it. Someone needed to say hey wait a second this is what Most people think it is. You are saying its X.


Cyber-bulling is absolutely a loaded phrase especially within the context of video games, which are viewed by the general public as an inherently youthful hobby. The phase itself itself conjures up an image of an emotionally defenseless and immature 12 year-old who is in need of protection and not a middle-age adult who should have the agency to defend himself.



Law doesn't see it as an inherently youthful hobby.

Harassment has been on the books in some form or another.

Cyber bully is just a subset of how harassment laws work.

Loaded word or not. It was still accurately applied.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#210 - 2012-04-01 03:05:58 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
What "label" would you use exactly? Truthfully?

Also, can you understand why the "media" or laymen might use that term vs, incitement to suicide?

Drunk ******* would have sufficed, given the circumstances.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

DJ FunkyBacon
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
#211 - 2012-04-01 03:09:42 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Frederick Sanger wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

The label was not wrong, I think the pressure on him to change a correct label was crazy to here. And Alex using and misrepresenting what people think cyber bullying is and was terrible. And no one challenged him on it. Someone needed to say hey wait a second this is what Most people think it is. You are saying its X.


Cyber-bulling is absolutely a loaded phrase especially within the context of video games, which are viewed by the general public as an inherently youthful hobby. The phase itself itself conjures up an image of an emotionally defenseless and immature 12 year-old who is in need of protection and not a middle-age adult who should have the agency to defend himself.



What "label" would you use exactly? Truthfully?

Also, can you understand why the "media" or laymen might use that term vs, incitement to suicide?



The label I used on air is 100% completely censored on these forums. Ugh

Quote:
Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and them basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.


I call Alex Mittens because that's what I've always called him any time I've ever spoken to him. Brendon for the same reason.

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Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#212 - 2012-04-01 03:10:07 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Berke Negri wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and them basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.


and by "constantly using" mittens "real name" it seriously "makes you" look like a total psycho

so best of luck with that, i guess



Alex was not in-game roleplaying as "The Mittani" when he committed his despicable act. Otherwise CCP would not have sanctioned him, it would not have placed CCP in legal jeopardy , and he would not have apologized.

So, the person at issue is not "mittens".

Hopefully you get that?

this may come as a shock to you, npc alt, but the exact count of how many times the host used alex or brendain's names doesn't matter
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#213 - 2012-04-01 03:11:45 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
What "label" would you use exactly? Truthfully?

Also, can you understand why the "media" or laymen might use that term vs, incitement to suicide?

Drunk ******* would have sufficed, given the circumstances.



Well, players don't get banned or sanctioned publicly by CCP for being a drunk **** now do they?

Spin or downplay it however you want, the adults and CCP executives don't find it very amusing.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#214 - 2012-04-01 03:15:13 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Well, players don't get banned or sanctioned publicly by CCP for being a drunk **** now do they?

The Mittani did.

Doc Fury wrote:
Spin or downplay it however you want, the adults and CCP executives don't find it very amusing.

Nice, sneak in a personal attack.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2012-04-01 03:17:35 UTC
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Imagine listeners cant know this stuff. Your telling us now, way after the fact.

Even then the way the mittani, ALEX since we are using peoples real names, interview went was not an interview you gave him a platform to rant and witch hunt against massively.

Whom unlike ALEX the MITTANI, did not actually do anything wrong.

The label was not wrong, I think the pressure on him to change a correct label was crazy to here. And Alex using and misrepresenting what people think cyber bullying is and was terrible. And no one challenged him on it. Someone needed to say hey wait a second this is what Most people think it is. You are saying its X.

It came off as a one sided propaganda piece. Withe a beaten down massively editor being brow beat into submission.

Knowing him and being a mate and rules and guidelines etc do not change that fact. Honestly you should have said Please refrain from using his full name at least.


First, I haven't used his full name here, but that's hardly of consequence, since he blogs using his full real life name.

You are perfectly entitled to the opinion that the label should stick, and I'm not here to tell you how to think.

You're claiming Brendon was browbeat by the mittani on air, I've had others complain that it was a Dr. Phil session with the two of them just hugging it out and kissing and making up. A lot of people found it very civil, and have commented that they expected it to be abrasive, but were surprised it wasn't.

And I never told any of those people what to think. As I've said before, the purpose was to put the unedited views of those involved out in front of you to make your own mind up. If everyone was responding the same way, then I'd have done a **** poor job at what I set out to do. The fact that responses here and elsewhere have ranged from how you feel, to middle of the road, to the complete opposite, and everyone seems to have taken something different from the coverage tells me things went pretty well.

I'm sorry you're upset.



Yeah I read the DR PHIL comments as well.

You should also note Im not in any more my posts using anyone's full name on purpose. I was making a point with the shot ALEX I was using.

But on your show Alex did use full names. Which is very objectionable and should have not been allowed.

And based on what I heard it seemed that Massively was just accepting what mittens said because they just didn't know any better on the issue. At least not enough to defend themselves from the onslaught and tirade that was leveled against them. So it seemed that there was some panic to fix it. I felt really bad for massively cause it came off as a clear brow beating when the original article was not as bad as Alex made it out to be. I thought it was tame compared to other sites I read.

It was like a Stockholm syndrome situation was taking place to me.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2012-04-01 03:19:22 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Well, players don't get banned or sanctioned publicly by CCP for being a drunk **** now do they?

The Mittani did.

Except he didn't. He got banned for crossing the line, be it drunk or not.

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Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#217 - 2012-04-01 03:19:36 UTC
Zirise wrote:
Now that someone has posted Mittens' real life address along with a threat to **** his wife can we expect the same media circus, public shaming and bans for violating the EULA? (Not to mention a criminal conviction.)


EVE is simply an internet space ships game. It's little more than trumped up visual checkers where you're encouraged to find ways to cheat the other player. Meta-gaming has become too ingrained into EVE play and people are taking it too far. This includes Goons and the people they have aggro'ed from around the world by means of being complete assholes. It's not REAL and is just something people partake of for fun. I think it safe to say that people's ideas of fun through EVE have become ******* sick over time as it really wasn't this way in the begining..

Considering the personal character Mitty has shown through the years when it comes to EVE and metagaming, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a lie. However, If I were in his shoes and supposedly had people threatening my wife, my dog, and my well being while stalking me etc. I'd QUIT. It's just a a supposedly fun game and not worth that kind of real life trouble. I couldn't do that to my family over just a damn hobby. It's stupid to put up with it.

Pfft... At this rate the CFC and the entire north are going to be the focus of a Jerry Springer special. I am not sure Steve can break up the fights though.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#218 - 2012-04-01 03:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Berke Negri wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Berke Negri wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Fair enough, it's your show, but you did make a big fuss about media accountability and integrity, and them basically allowed Alex to bully and lecture Brendan.

Question: Are you afraid to use Alex's name here (or elsewhere) in relation to the issue at hand? As I mentioned before, it wasn't a guy named "mittens" who farked-up in front of thousands of people and potantially put CCP in a legal quagmire, it was Alex. I mean Alex does have "his people" and "friends at CCP", so I can completely understand if you are hesitant to call him by his name because of that.


and by "constantly using" mittens "real name" it seriously "makes you" look like a total psycho

so best of luck with that, i guess



Alex was not in-game roleplaying as "The Mittani" when he committed his despicable act. Otherwise CCP would not have sanctioned him, it would not have placed CCP in legal jeopardy , and he would not have apologized.

So, the person at issue is not "mittens".

Hopefully you get that?

this may come as a shock to you, npc alt, but the exact count of how many times the host used alex or brendain's names doesn't matter



You finally played the "NPC alt" card. I see you are out of valid arguments and now need to reach for the ad hominem attack.

My corporation association is not relevant to my being able to have a valid opinion as a paying subscriber here and does not lessen my credibility whatsoever.

(FYI, I''ve been posting with Doc for twice as long as you have played this game)

Using Alex's name matters, because using a pseudonym to refer to someone that did what Alex did in real life can only serve to dehumanize him and his atrocious behavior, instead of facing it head-on for what it is, despicable and harmful to CCP and their success.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#219 - 2012-04-01 03:24:05 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Except he didn't. He got banned for crossing the line, be it drunk or not.

Exactly, because he was being an *******. He deserved what he got. However, given that he was referring to someone playing a video game who used RL suicide as a threat (something I find equally deplorable to inciting suicide), I hardly think "cyber-bully" is appropriate.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2012-04-01 03:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
Karl Hobb wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Except he didn't. He got banned for crossing the line, be it drunk or not.

Exactly, because he was being an *******. He deserved what he got. However, given that he was referring to someone playing a video game who used RL suicide as a threat (something I find equally deplorable to inciting suicide), I hardly think "cyber-bully" is appropriate.



What the other character said or did is not even and issue.

And because someone else might have lied, that's not reason to push them to their death. You cant justify or diminish the crime based on not liking what someone said.

It dosent stop being bullying.

What if the next person that make the claim Isnt lying?

Two wrongs do not make a right.

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