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You have some of the best sec in the game, which means your rats will be among the best payout-wise(afaik sec status determines how many of each anom spawn, and how good the belt rats are directly), with the only thing holding you back from making more than everyone else being the lack of faction/officer drops.

Get over it, after this you will be making more isk that most of nullsec, on average.

I *LOVE* all these "CCP isn't listening wah wah wah!!" posts. No, they *ARE* listening. Carebears have been pointing out for ages how destabilizing drone poo was, how drops were better sources of minerals, etc. Granted, CCP could very well be going too far in the other direction (as has been pointed out numerous times in this thread, drones ARE getting wailed on pretty hard, and it's not as if CCP hasn't overcompensated before), but all this 'not listening to players' seems to be coming from drone residents who are displeased about their lollies being taken away. I was both surprised and pleased to see this:

Let's read that again, shall we?

Grayscale has already explained how the sec revamp was done, and it makes sense. Drones are still "better" than most other places, and there's nothing stopping you from installing upgrades to your ihub if you're that worried about the loss in sites/ores/whatever.

You forgot the fact that they also nerfed the sec status of the drone regions. Going to be fewer valuable spawns.

Well, maybe the Hulk gets her paper-thin tank fixed as a result! (just dreamin)

You will note that the author of that post in general favor of the changes is from Cobalt Edge. The one and only region of drone space, who's sec status was not nerfed on top of the changes to drone poop.

You will also notice that, to paraphrase CCP Greyscale, Cobalt Edge is on the ass-end of the universe. Perhaps the only region further away from Empire is Period Basis. So our local costs are potentially going to go sky-high, since we are probably going to have to import huge amounts of minerals or T1 ships, even though I am seeing folk with mining characters coming out of the woodwork every day. Furthermore, if you look at my posting history, you will find that I have been very critical of the very idea of removing drone alloys, and argued at length against it as a means of buffing mining elsewhere.

The truesec nerf was not unanticipated, nor unexpected, at least by those of us with a shred of common sense. The drone regions have had the best average truesec in the game. It would have been patently absurd for CCP to not bring drone region truesec in line with the rest of EVE.

It would have been nice to get module drops. It would have been awesome if Sentient drones dropped faction modules or capital components or somesuch. I would have personally been more than happy if nothing had been changed at all as far as alloys were concerned. But from what I understand, rogue drones will be getting proper loot tables or something similar at some point down the road. We may finally get new exploration and combat sites.

The removal of drone alloys will have a huge effect on the drone regions, make no mistake. But it may well be a positive change. Either way, we will have to see what happens over the next few months.

Completely overlooking that mining with guns is not how any game let alone this game, is designed.

Oh the sweet sweet tears followed by the ridiculous abstract justifications (also known as a ... rationale).

The solution is to enable exporting of low-end minerals from empire. That would increase demand for these minerals, boosting hisec mining, while giving people the ability to produce in null.

I think many of the problems with industry can be traced back to mineral compression. It seems an intentional design point that raw materials take up more volume than the goods produced from them. Unfortunately, this limits options for trading and producing - because raw materials are always larger than finished products, it's always more profitable to produce near a central market and ship goods to where you need them. This actually creates a disincentive to starting up new markets, and is part of the reason people cluster around Jita.

If raw goods were easier to move than finished products, players would have a choice - you could import a finished product and get it on the market quickly and easily, or you could import the raw materials and build the product locally, with the option of making more profit or moving more volume. Under the current system, the latter option is never economically viable - someone who just imports the finished good will always be able to undercut you. It doesn't matter how expensive or difficult hauling becomes - the importer always needs to move less volume than the producer.

You could make it easier for producers to source the volume of materials they need locally, thus reducing their import costs. However, this would reduce trade - a superveld asteroid or crystal in null would just isolate people, and not lead to a rich universe where different regions need to trade.

Instead, it needs to be easier to move raw goods, particularly lowends, around. Most importantly, it needs to be easier to move materials than it is to move the products you make with them - that way either producing locally or importing becomes a viable strategy, depending on your situation.

There are a number of ways you could make it easier to export lowends from empire - here are a few:

1) Create factory slots for compressed ores in hisec stations. This would be a specialized factory installation that functions exactly like the rorqual's mineral compression, though perhaps with a time modifier to make it slower. Hisec miners would produced compressed ore and sell it to nullsec and w-space producers for a profit. These factory slots could be anywhere, but I think it makes the most sense to restrict them to empire.
2) Enable the Orca to do ore compression.
3) Allow the Orca and Rorqual to hold minerals in their ore bays as well as ore
4) Create a new class of hauler with an oversized cargo bay, but only let it carry items from the "Materials" market group.

These are just a few suggestions. There are other ways to solve this problem, but the key point is this - don't boost lowend acquisition in nullsec. Instead, make it easier for hisec dwellers to sell their products to the nullsec population.

Right! I seriously doubt you sit in those grav sites unaligned and don't bother watching local because grav sites are just so hard to scan down. If you do, firstly, tell me where (my killboard needs your love) and secondly, you're doing it wrong.



Yeah, I got that. Veldspar rocks deplete faster, but there are a lot more of them in every belt than A, B, or C.

If partial cycles are hurting your yield then you are doing it wrong. A skilled Miner knows how to avoid these. Only those playing the push button, receive bacon game have this concern.

If moving your Hulk is putting a crimp in your yield, you are again doing it wrong. A skilled Miner can strip clean most belts, nullsec, losec, or hisec and only needs to move his barge 4 or 5 times, so long as he's unmolested.

I can be hired to teach these skills, but it won't come cheap, and I'll demand payment in advance.



While this dev blog:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2353
does mention making nullsec 99% self-sufficient by volume, it also says do it without breaking other systems or goals. Nullsec industry isn't hampered by scarcity of low ends. They are all around and usually go unmined. Nullsec industry is hampered by nullsec's residents.

Many nullsec residents don't see industry as an important alliance asset and actively discourage it. Usually the only industry that gets any respect is capital production. Often to the point that alliance leadership will reserve outpost manufacturing slots solely for capital component production. This pushes all other manufacturing to high overhead starbase assembly arrays which can't compete with virtually free hisec manufacturing slots. Then they'll have the nerve to complain that your prices are 20% higher than Jita. "Oh and by the way, the next time you make a run to Jita, could you jump something in for me...for next to nothing...please?" Sound familiar anyone?

0.0 belts don't have infinite amounts of every ore. Once all the ABCM is gone, it's gone until the belt respawns (2x a week?). If the values of other ores are worth undocking the Hulks for, they'll get mined.