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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Magnus Orin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#541 - 2012-03-29 00:20:30 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP, let me lay this out for you. I get you cannot go back on this decision without looking bad.

You bring people to Iceland. You encourage them to get roaring drunk, you stream this in HD while profiting off it. Then you punish them for out of game actions at said event.


Did you not forsee something like this happening? Really?


What all players should gain from this. Fanfest is not a safe environment to interact with fellow players. It has in-game consequences. I hope you are clear on future fanfest purchasing pages that any actions at your events have in-game consequences.


This is a good post.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#542 - 2012-03-29 00:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Offtopic link removed. Spitfire
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#543 - 2012-03-29 00:20:35 UTC
And there I was getting used to CCP being CCP instead of :CCP: ....

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Flette
Rosen Association
#544 - 2012-03-29 00:21:13 UTC
This needed to happen. If anything, this is a pretty light punishment.

First, and foremost, the action that lead to the punishment could be viewed as breaking the law in many countries in which CCP operates. Also, because this action was broadcast by CCP, the company becomes liable for that content. Those of you that enjoy Eve need to recognize this threat of potential legal action against CCP.

Secondly, the player in question resigned of his own free will as near as I can tell, so you can't really blame CCP for that.

Also, for those of you that think what was said, and how it was said is no big deal, try something similar at your next office party, or at your neighborhood pub and see how far you get.

Inciting harassment against someone in a public forum by name is a big deal indeed.


Now though, something does ned to be done about those votes.



This was the right thing, the only thing, and it's a good thing that CCP didn't wait any longer.
Buzz LiteBeer
#545 - 2012-03-29 00:21:34 UTC
Forum protests are funny =P

There was a young man of Lake Placid
Whose prick was lethargic and flaccid.
When he wanted to sport
He would have to resort
To injections of sulphuric acid.

not as funny as that though Cry
buck herrick
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#546 - 2012-03-29 00:22:04 UTC
Alidean wrote:
And suddenly 10,000 angry neckbeards have law degrees.



sir,

i ####**$ hate PL. but you got my like and made me chuckle.

now get lost!!
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#547 - 2012-03-29 00:22:32 UTC
Andski wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Leykan wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
sweet using logical fallacies to avoid the fact that i am right!


Still waiting on you to explain the whole TOS applicable in a RL situation thing here...


fanfest feed is linked to the forums...

official ccp broadcasts are subject to tos...

by breaking tos you loose your right to be on this years CSM and get an auto 30 day ban...

no if and or butts about it!


shut up you bleating moron

no game company should disenfranchise a large group of vocal customers with TEN THOUSAND accounts between them

that's not a bold move that's a stupid ******* move

But around 50k players have actively voted for other candidates and thus against mittani. They are quite happy about this decision...

And again..

U mad?
Bumrush
The Excommunicated
#548 - 2012-03-29 00:22:35 UTC
Vatek wrote:
Schettino wrote:
All those crying about the 10k vote loss.

The player has been banned and is out of the game -> LOSS OF REPRESENTATION.

PERIOD


Blame the player himself and NOT CCP.


Sorry, no. There needs to be a system in place so that people who voted for candidates who either resign or are removed are still represented. Mittani's actions do not speak for the 10,058 people that voted for him.



No there does not, if you vote for a president in RL and they do something wrong and leave or get kicked out they do not do a re-vote, the person under him steps up
Cynosoreass
Doomheim
#549 - 2012-03-29 00:22:35 UTC
Fair and just action on the part of CCP, Thank you!@
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#550 - 2012-03-29 00:23:08 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Following the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012, an incident was broadcast live on air by a panelist during the Q&A which broke the EVE Online EULA/TOS. The panelist was a member of the CSM who has subsequently resigned from CSM6 and, as a result, will resign his seat on CSM7. GM Salmon, VP of Customer Relations, provides more detail in this blog.


This is the most disappointing decision by CCP in nearly a year.
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
#551 - 2012-03-29 00:23:14 UTC
dooplex wrote:
Holy sh!t You need a ******* canoe to get hrough this sea of goon tears.

I am feeling warm inside.


Hide behind new alts much... lolz
Josef Djugashvilis
#552 - 2012-03-29 00:23:22 UTC
One person shooting at the monument in Jita.

Jeez, come on Goonies you can do better than that.

This is not a signature.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#553 - 2012-03-29 00:23:35 UTC
Flette wrote:
This needed to happen. If anything, this is a pretty light punishment.

First, and foremost, the action that lead to the punishment could be viewed as breaking the law in many countries in which CCP operates. Also, because this action was broadcast by CCP, the company becomes liable for that content. Those of you that enjoy Eve need to recognize this threat of potential legal action against CCP.

Secondly, the player in question resigned of his own free will as near as I can tell, so you can't really blame CCP for that.


First- It only matters for where it was says I doubt any country claims its cyber bully laws have universal jurisdiction.
Second, not resignation but booting from CSM entirely.
Rebecca Aventine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#554 - 2012-03-29 00:23:58 UTC
I didn't envy Alex or CCP when this broke.

I respect Alex a great deal for making his apology, but regretably this was always the most realistic outcome.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#555 - 2012-03-29 00:24:14 UTC
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
But around 50k players have actively voted for other candidates and thus against mittani. They are quite happy about this decision...

And again..

U mad?


I didn't vote "against" Two Step or the other CSM candidates I generally agree with, hope that helps!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#556 - 2012-03-29 00:24:35 UTC
Goons keep talking about the 10000 + players who voted to the mittani, but are completly disregarding the 32000+ votes that were not for him. Something to think about.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
J Kunjeh
#557 - 2012-03-29 00:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: J Kunjeh
Wow, Eve never gets stale does it? Been watching from the outside for a few months now (not much free time in RL to play) and thought I'd resub today to show my support for CCP's awesomeness displayed at FF2012. Couldn't have picked a more interesting time to resub.

Sad to see Mittani booted, even though I think he's an asshat for a million reasons (the most recent one being his douchebaggery at FF2012), but he was a terribly good rep for our Eve...

Interesting times ahead!

Edit: for the record, I think CCP went too far in removing him from the CSM altogether. Ban for 30 days, sure...but complete removal? Seems rash to me, but I'm willing to be shown the error in my logic here.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Taihbea
Doomheim
#558 - 2012-03-29 00:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Taihbea
Goons are like little kids that go nuts when they see a lolipop.
Then they demand more and more and then they cry the **** out when they are put in place with the rest.

You guys are the biggest whiney bunch of sissies I have ever seen.

All your "bad ass" look is now just a LMAO subject.

Go camp rats on belts buahaha
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#559 - 2012-03-29 00:25:49 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
One person shooting at the monument in Jita.

Jeez, come on Goonies you can do better than that.


Shooting the monument is for pubbies, we are going to make Jita burn. They will need to put up a monument for the massive amount of wrecks that will blot out the gates and the undock of 4-4
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#560 - 2012-03-29 00:26:06 UTC
Ni Cho wrote:
So.

Yea.

Instead of going for a middle of the road approach, CCP decide to go hard to port.



Wrong. Hard to port would have been a perma-ban. Which he rightfully deserves tbfh. Just remember this is a game and your vote went to someone who lost sight of that. Perhaps you should be taking your beef to him?