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New Dev Blog: Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2012: The Conclusion

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Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#521 - 2012-03-29 00:13:50 UTC
FREE MITTENS 2012
Roime
Shiva Furnace
#522 - 2012-03-29 00:13:59 UTC
Jim Luc wrote:
Roime wrote:
Lol @ goon pleb nerd rage

Why blame CCP? All they did was enforcing the TOS/EULA and gave Mittens a temp ban. You all know they had no other choice.

He resigned from his position as CSM chair, probably because he felt it was the right thing to do. Read his apology again if you are unsure about his view on the events. I find this unfortunate and I'm sorry Mittani, but not for this ridiculous bunch of whining hypocrites..

If you feel betrayed, maybe talk with him about it? Or you can also just

~deal with it~


You seriously think he harassed someone to the point of violating the TOS? The 30 day ban is ridiculous.


My opinion is as irrelevant as yours, but Mittani admitted that he did something so horrible that he was disgusted with himself. Maybe that convinced CCP as well?

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#523 - 2012-03-29 00:14:02 UTC
HEY GUYS.... 26 PAGES AND COUNTING OF DISCUSSING MODERATION

WE ARE ALL GONNA GET BANNED!

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#524 - 2012-03-29 00:14:13 UTC
Panda Name wrote:
it's crazy to think that i'm on the side of the goons on this. they are in the right, and history will remember them this way.

all you raiden dorks and jade constantine, you long winded harlot, are in the wrong and it's pathetic that you cannot see it.

I'd just like to say that long winded harlot would be a great name for a band
static zero
Minmatar Industrial Development Association
#525 - 2012-03-29 00:14:23 UTC
He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7.

Was it CCP that made the judgment that The Mittani may not serve on CSM 7? It's unclear from this statement.

-static
SolusLunes
Goosefleet
#526 - 2012-03-29 00:14:25 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
We love it when you are banned. Blink


Okay, I laughed.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#527 - 2012-03-29 00:15:16 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hulemand wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
CCP,

Can you confirm you were also holding everyone who just happened to be on camera at fanfest accountable to the TOS/EULA? Family members / spouses who don't play the game .. the press .. ?

I am struggling to see how you can possibly think your terms of service apply to what someone says out of game, on camera when it is YOU and your providers who choice what is broadcast and when.

There is absolutely NO legal precedent for it.


What legal precedence do they need? None!


Yeah, because that line works well when a lawsuit lands.

Stop trying to think, you're in Raiden.


that would be the funniest lawsuit ever filled
stop acting like a ....


CCP have removed his ability to use the service he is paying for, without him violating the contract.

That's not funny, it's the majority of civil lawsuits.



come on there man, its not as bad as all that

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

k'ryn
Doomheim
#528 - 2012-03-29 00:15:21 UTC
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Axhind wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Axhind wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
I applaud CCP for this decision, I will explain why before I am accused of being a political tool.

In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.

In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.

EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when the use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet.

Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.

Again I would actually like to stress this is not a political post not a wum, This is actually somthing very good that CCP has done in sending out a clear message that certain behaviour will not be tolerated. It sucks for Alexander yes Im sure but he will bounce back from it if he wants to.



As another European I can freely call you fascist dog. Europe has benefits but fascist **** laws for censorship of speech are not it. At the same time as you have to ***** foot around serious issues we all get butt raped by our dear politicians but hey they are at least preventing us to say thing they don't like. This is one thing where europe should take after US instead of introducing just more and more idiotic censorship laws.


clearly I disagree with you, so does the law fortunatly, did you think the muamba sentence was unfair then?



OFC it was. Who cares what some dude writes? Far better to allow saying few things that might make someone upset than to start banning anything that might make someone upset. For anything you say there will be someone who will give you **** for it.

UK especially is ******** to hell and back with it's laws about speech. Even more than germany and france who are both already bad enough with the laws controlling what people can say about ww2.

It never ends. Just more and more things get censored until you will not be allowed to open your mouth for the fright of breaking some idiotic law.


Or maybe we start treating each other with more consideration and respect, maybe we start to look past issues of gender, race sexuality, etc and actually learn to empathise.Freedom or speech is not without consequenses nor is it an absolute right in the EU. When I look at our past its pretty obvious why these principles are enshrined in European law or can you not see that?




If we did that we'd turn into WoW.
Megalift
The Executives
#529 - 2012-03-29 00:15:53 UTC
Hmmmmm what......! over 10,000 votes and they guy has to resign. I would like to see a new election in that case. Those that voted for Alex are being cheated their votes.
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
#530 - 2012-03-29 00:16:26 UTC
Javier McPoopbeard wrote:
FREE MITTENS 2012


Not empty Quoting.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#531 - 2012-03-29 00:16:44 UTC
Meno Theaetetus wrote:
I came to this game 6 years ago from SWG, took them six years but Sony finally caught up and destroyed another game that I loved.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#532 - 2012-03-29 00:17:14 UTC
SolusLunes wrote:
Andski wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
AFAIK accounts that have action against em are not allowed for CSM


Krutoj made no secret about his temp ban for RMT which did _not_ lead to his removal from the CSM.


QFT


as someone allready told you he was suspended, found not guilty and case closed
btw RMT will get you permabanned anyway

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!

Darker Domain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2012-03-29 00:17:28 UTC
CCP this is the most unintelligent maneuver you've done yet, a monkey would have made this retaliatory action fairer than you.
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#534 - 2012-03-29 00:17:35 UTC
Townsend Harris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#535 - 2012-03-29 00:18:44 UTC
Darker Domain wrote:
CCP this is the most unintelligent maneuver you've done yet, a monkey would have made this retaliatory action fairer than you.

70 dollar monocles was dumber than this, but not by much.
dooplex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#536 - 2012-03-29 00:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: dooplex
Holy sh!t You need a ******* canoe to get hrough this sea of goon tears.

I am feeling warm inside.
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#537 - 2012-03-29 00:19:04 UTC
Man, look at all those goons sperge.

Poor babies.

Mittens did something ********, in his arrogance never even thought that he'd be punished, CCP (Rightly) punished him.

Not big surprise.

You should be taking up your wasted votes with mittens, he's the one that scorned you all by consciously deciding to throw them all in the dumpster. Then again nobody except goons and test really care about the invalidated votes so vOv

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Saiphas Cain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#538 - 2012-03-29 00:19:21 UTC
Alidean wrote:
And suddenly 10,000 angry neckbeards have law degrees.


I thought that's where law degrees came from. Grow a neckbeard, complimentary pass on bar exam. When did this social contract change? I feel like I've been lied to! ... and like I need a shave.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#539 - 2012-03-29 00:19:32 UTC
Townsend Harris wrote:
Darker Domain wrote:
CCP this is the most unintelligent maneuver you've done yet, a monkey would have made this retaliatory action fairer than you.

70 dollar monocles was dumber than this, but not by much.


Tell me that isn't you Alex?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
#540 - 2012-03-29 00:19:34 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
HEY GUYS.... 26 PAGES AND COUNTING OF DISCUSSING MODERATION

WE ARE ALL GONNA GET BANNED!


Not empty Quoting