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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#661 - 2012-03-13 20:29:12 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.


Wait, will these be the titans that need 30 billion in sensor boosters to lock a cap before it can de agro and dock?

its cute you think you're getting enough cormack's at any price


That's kind of the point...

Way to read between the lines genius.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#662 - 2012-03-13 20:30:26 UTC
Organa wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Organa wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lord Aliventi wrote:

What role does CCP want for titans?


Are you illiterate? It says right there in the blog post. Titans are there to blap other capital ships. Something they are already very good at and have not had that ability nerfed in the slightest.



wrong
the scan res part alone means that a capital can deagress and dock before a titan could lock it unless its using 4 officer sebos which severely impact its fit (4 non officer sebos wont cut it)


Deaggress and dock? Why is your capital humping a station instead of attacking/defending a TCU or SBU or sitting in a POS? If you mean in lowsec, he he heheh ahah hahahahaha.




you mean like reaping there station that just came out of rf or there services


tell me all about how repping a station gets you aggressed

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Sentinel Eeex
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#663 - 2012-03-13 20:31:44 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Crakachunky wrote:
okay so now fleet fights will work like this:

600 dudes meet 600 dudes, one side starts loosing and brings in carriers for reps, other side deploys dreads and carriers, other side now brings in supers to kill the caps, other side brings in supers and titans, everyone dies untill theres 1 dude in a rifter left

how fights work currently:

600 dudes meets 600 dues, one side brings in titans and wins


after this change escalation mechanics will actually work (titans are meant to be giant support ships and a last card play)


What game do you play? No one would every deploy dreads when theres 600 enemy support on the field and they certainly would not do it to kill triage carriers. Triage carriers get alpha'd in that fight. Whoever brings them is basically suiciding carriers (which is fine but it's not an effective use of a carrier).

Also in all my time playing EVE I've never seen a 'fair fight'. 600 vs 600 is mythical, someone will have 800 the other 400. If even numbers do occur, one of them will stand down because "it's just not worth it, we might lose".

EVE has always been about making the other guy commit thinking he will win.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Colonel O'Neill of STARGATE SG-1 knows more about PvP than me.



Judging by the nonsense you are spewing, it would appear that he actually does know more about PvP than you.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#664 - 2012-03-13 20:31:50 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:


That's kind of the point...

Way to read between the lines genius.

you mean the lines of my pile of officer sensor boosters

because the things it's saying there are dirty

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#665 - 2012-03-13 20:33:39 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:


That's kind of the point...

Way to read between the lines genius.

you mean the lines of my pile of officer sensor boosters

because the things it's saying there are dirty


Hey goonswarm this guy is in your alliance lma0
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#666 - 2012-03-13 20:33:54 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
you mean the lines of my pile of officer sensor boosters

because the things it's saying there are dirty


the forces of elite pvp could not beat a goonNOOB to jita contracts

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#667 - 2012-03-13 20:34:06 UTC
Andski wrote:

tell me all about how repping a station gets you aggressed


Be gentle, its an Empire pubbie, they don't know these things.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#668 - 2012-03-13 20:34:31 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:


That's kind of the point...

Way to read between the lines genius.

you mean the lines of my pile of officer sensor boosters

because the things it's saying there are dirty


Hey goonswarm this guy is in your alliance lma0


yes he is our CFO

you guys have penifsmash and ordo garr lma0

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#669 - 2012-03-13 20:34:55 UTC
pandemic legion, the dumping ground for goonswarm's worst posters

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BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#670 - 2012-03-13 20:35:15 UTC
Just looking forward to seeing what you will get nurfed next, when we start beating you with something els... if people are not to mad at CCP to keep subscribing. Honestly I am not far from it myself, think this is a very poor and ill advised "temp" nurf.

Can you atleast make us able to dock our useless ships so we can get in others ?
Kazanir
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#671 - 2012-03-13 20:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kazanir
Grath Telkin wrote:
Kazanir wrote:
I think you would be surprised how many people on the "anti-supercap" side, including in Goonswarm, actually agree with this. Lots of "us" would love to see supercarriers and titans have well-defined and useful roles on the battlefield. It just can't be a role where the number of supercapitals you have ends up defining who wins the war every single time -- and so far, that has been the case ever since Dominion launched.


Right, but having the most sub caps is somehow a better way.


Right now both ways work, CCP are effectively removing any strategy that doesn't involve more numbers.


You don't actually believe this either, and I know it. You know that different fleets wildly vary in effectiveness and that there is a huge and ever-changing metagame between Maelstroms, Drakes, Tengus, Abaddons, sniping T3/HACs, bombers, carriers, and on and on and on. The subcapital and capital fleet war is most certainly NOT dominated by raw numbers in the way that almost every war for the past 2 years* has been dominated by who has more supercaps.

Supercaps suffer from the "he who has more, wins!" problem in a way that subcaps and caps actually never have.

* I am excluding the wars where the defending alliance was already dead and rotting on the inside and merely needed to be eviscerated and have all its structures shot.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#672 - 2012-03-13 20:36:20 UTC
BioZvin wrote:
Just looking forward to seeing what you will get nurfed next, when we start beating you with something els... if people are not to mad at CCP to keep subscribing. Honestly I am not far from it myself, think this is a very poor and ill advised "temp" nurf.

Can you atleast make us able to dock our useless ships so we can get in others ?


are you implying that your alliance knows how to fly anything without PL teaching you how

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lelob
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#673 - 2012-03-13 20:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lelob
Sentinel Eeex wrote:

So, what you are saying is that one side has to throw 200 years of skill training onto 50 years of skill training in order to be competitive?

You also realize that if anyone would organize anything like 200 dreads, other side would never show up?

******** theory crafting.


People also said that nobody is going to deploy all their supers/titans to save a tech tower and yet they did. Betting on cowardice does not really pay dividends unless its a bet on goons or the NC.

edit: cleared up quote pyramid. Also goons were able to form these dread fleets in Cloud Ring iirc and about the only thing that seems to be stopping goons from rolling over Raiden dot is their use of turret titans against goon subcaps. The answer shouldn't be too difficult.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#674 - 2012-03-13 20:37:57 UTC
hey PL remember how your ~slowcats~ died in a fire in C-J to -A- tengus

oh wait they didn't

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#675 - 2012-03-13 20:38:28 UTC
Sentinel Eeex wrote:


Judging by the nonsense you are spewing, it would appear that he actually does know more about PvP than you.



Go ahead and refute what I said.

No one is dropping dreads in a support fight to kill triage carriers outside of low sec (where the numbers total in the fight are around the hundred mark)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#676 - 2012-03-13 20:39:34 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Sentinel Eeex wrote:


Judging by the nonsense you are spewing, it would appear that he actually does know more about PvP than you.



Go ahead and refute what I said.

No one is dropping dreads in a support fight to kill triage carriers outside of low sec (where the numbers total in the fight are around the hundred mark)


hey I wonder why dreads are fielded so often in low-sec

what has effectively been out of the game there? bombs, it's obviously bombs

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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Centra Spike
Lonetrek Consulting Group
#677 - 2012-03-13 20:39:44 UTC
I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke the game with our use of supercapitals, or took a few liberties with our enemies - we did. But you can't hold a whole shiptype responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole game? And if the whole game is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our video game industry in general? I put it to you, CCP Greyscale - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

Follow us @PLIRC!
Crakachunky
Elite Mining Services
#678 - 2012-03-13 20:40:20 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Crakachunky wrote:
okay so now fleet fights will work like this:

600 dudes meet 600 dudes, one side starts loosing and brings in carriers for reps, other side deploys dreads and carriers, other side now brings in supers to kill the caps, other side brings in supers and titans, everyone dies untill theres 1 dude in a rifter left

how fights work currently:

600 dudes meets 600 dues, one side brings in titans and wins


after this change escalation mechanics will actually work (titans are meant to be giant support ships and a last card play)


What game do you play? No one would every deploy dreads when theres 600 enemy support on the field and they certainly would not do it to kill triage carriers. Triage carriers get alpha'd in that fight. Whoever brings them is basically suiciding carriers (which is fine but it's not an effective use of a carrier).

Also in all my time playing EVE I've never seen a 'fair fight'. 600 vs 600 is mythical, someone will have 800 the other 400. If even numbers do occur, one of them will stand down because "it's just not worth it, we might lose".

EVE has always been about making the other guy commit thinking he will win.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Colonel O'Neill of STARGATE SG-1 knows more about PvP than me.



the numbers we're not worked out to the T, maybe 20 carriers would be needed, and thats certainly do-able, the rest of the fight then scales upward, risk vs. reward style. If one side put there b*lls on the line and risked alot more than was needed***, and the other side backs out, well thats there fault and they deserve to loose whatever it is they were fighting over

and yh even fights do happen, a smart FC will cap his fleet to actually make a fight happen (seen it done plenty of times) and like i said the fight will escalate risk vs. reward, again a smart FC will only delpoy just enough to keep him in the game, baiting the other side to deploy more for more strategic kills

***before you say "dropping titans isnt a risk then ey !! RAWR" well no its not when 40+ are dropped at once and they blap all subcaps on field, then you add all the supers that are sent in with them anyway and that fleet is at no risk what-so-ever.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#679 - 2012-03-13 20:40:32 UTC
Do we really need to descent to the level of personal attacks? Dear god men have pity, they can no longer one shot subcaps with impunity! They'll have to actually have a support fleet now.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
BioZvin
The Acheron
Unforgiving.
#680 - 2012-03-13 20:40:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
BioZvin wrote:
Just looking forward to seeing what you will get nurfed next, when we start beating you with something els... if people are not to mad at CCP to keep subscribing. Honestly I am not far from it myself, think this is a very poor and ill advised "temp" nurf.

Can you atleast make us able to dock our useless ships so we can get in others ?


are you implying that your alliance knows how to fly anything without PL teaching you how


Cause you come up with so many fleet combo's, that just funny :) I have seen no change in setup from you, would have thought you might want to try and counter what your against.

Question still stands can we dock Supers soon ?