EVE General Discussion

I already went over the peculiar nature of this in a previous post.

Making cargo scanning a suspect offense in HS, doesnt upset that.

The change should happen, because it rationalizes the underlying mechanics.

Cargo scanning is an invasive action. You intrusively pry into the hold of another player.
This should not occur without a reciprocal cost. Currently, there is none.
Having a scanning ship on site, does not in and of itself constitute a cost, because the scanning ship is not currently implicated in any way. They can scan all the ships they want, intrude i to their holds, at no cost or risk.

Cargo-scanning is not mandatory for suicide ganking Its just a convenience to pick out lucrative targets.

If cargo scanning issued a suspect flag, they can still continue scanning as many holds as they wish, unless so eone eliminates them.

We all know that cargo scanning ships are implict in the suicide gank operational system.
They are part of the suicide gank team effort, as much as the attack ships, and the loot pickup ships.
Th attack ships get rekt by CONCORD, the loot pickup teams go suspect.
So too should the cargo scanning elements go suspect.

1) Combat probes do not scan the contents of a ship, merely its location at that moment.
Furthemore a combat probe search requires far more time and effort, and is homologous with core probing sigs.

2) My change does not mean they cant ascertain the contents of a ship.
Just that they incur a suspect flag for intrusively obtaining that data of what is on someone elses ship.
What justification is there, for a ship in HS to pry into the contents of somone elses autonomous ship, without consequence?

If a cargo scanning ship is implicit in the suicide gank team effort, they should carry commensurate personal risk.
The attac ships get rekt by CONCORD, the loot ships get suspect.
Atm, the scanning ships get no penalty.

3) This is not a nerf to suicide ganking. None of the mechanics are changed to detriment..
It just includes the rational risk, which is currently absent, into scanning ships which invasively pry into the hold of another autonomous players ship.

There is a thing called a Ship Scanner that does exactly that (scan mods) and work on the same principle of that of a Cargo Scanner.

Also by your reasonning, just looking into someone's jettisoned cargo or wreck should trigger a Suspect Timer, as it is prying into someone's privacy...

i love those its not me its you quotes.

Eve is a game all about player interaction and you can't deny carebears mostly interact, with each other at least. Which means more players in game shooting things. I don't see why highsec can't be a kiddie pool since quite a large number of people go for that, however it should be obvious that the big money, good ships, and deep mechanics are in the more risky higher value parts of space. When I started you could barely make enough or a battleship in hs but people in null were flying T2 everything, command ships, HACs, recons, etc.

I'd like to see highsec income nerfed into the ground so that it has little impact on the rest of eve. If players want to sit in safety under the protection of concord, how can they hope to defend themselves without that protection, they'd feel the need to join a null corp where they can have a bigger impact if that's what they want. Eve is supposedly a sandbox with room for everyone, yet we continue asking new players to change their expectations to what eve actually is, why can't it have room for everything?

If highsec players aren't flying around in such valuable ships, they're surely less likely to be chosen as a gank target.

1) Combat probes are not tthe same as cargo scanning.
They are furthermore entirely different skill trees.
Combat probes deliver information on location at great range.
Cargo scanning is a matter of kms.
Their function is unique and unlike the other.
Combat probes, especially in HS, are used for finding mission ships onsite, at great range.
Cargo scanning, in HS, is used almost exclusively for the purpose of identifying fat targets, onsite.
(And scanning ghost/relic/data cans)

Invasively scanning the contents of a ships private property, is different from ascertaining a ships current location.
D-scan already makes ascertainment of position possible, albeit without warp-to option.

2) Blockade runners remain unscannable in my proposal, as they are now.
Zero change.

3) Double packing, flooding cargo with trash, are ways of impairing data to a cargo scanner. But they are niot an issue of cargo scanners themselves.

A wreck is unoccupied, and a result of player action.
If the wreck is a result of legal engagement, its contents are available to its destroyer.

There is a difference between looking i to an u occupied wreck, and peeking into the cargo/module hold of an active occupied ship.

Jettisoned cargo still belongs to the owner (albeit perhaps that too, shouldnt).

How stern? 'I will quit and send my dog after you'-stern?

Both are used in ganking, the same arguments you are using asast cargo scanners can be used on ship scanners and combat probes.





You missed my point, BR have been made less safe because of the unscannable change. People who keep on trying to nerf ganking always fail to see how they are making the game worse for themselves as the push for just one more nerf.



They are a direct counter everyone can already use, there is no need to further nerf ganking. It simply isn't needed.