EVE General Discussion

Don't have to, highsec has concord, faction police and station/gate guns.

Concord are punitive, they're not there to stop anything, they're there to punish people for breaking the one single rule that they enforce: "Thou shalt not use an offensive module on another capsuleer".

They are there to deter, not prevent, and they do it well, as evidenced by the fact that suicide gankers represent a fraction of a percent of all hisec residents.

Couple things here:

• Suicide ganking is hardly 'rampant' because it's actually a pretty expensive pastime if you're not selected with your targets. If you're not profitable to gank you're fairly safe, and if you take a ton of people to kill and those people aren't around you're also fairly safe. The vast majority of people who die to suicide ganks either have no tank or were auto-piloting. Often both.
• Gate guns can be tanked but it's not exactly easy. Gate Guns deal about 200DPS per gun, which means in a .4 system you have to be able to tank 1600 DPS plus whatever your enemy puts on you. This is why the vast majority of pirates don't take actual fights on gates or stations, because if they're the ones who went Flashy it's basically like having to fight a Vindicator plus whatever your enemy brought in terms of DPS. It gets easier in lower sec status, but at minimum you're still dealing with a 400 DPS handicap if you engage on a gate or station.
• Anyone claiming that anyone else is making absurd ISK for doing "nothing" in this game is almost certainly just flatly ignorant. There's a huge amount of organization and logistics that goes into taking space, holding it, and getting the products out of it and to a market where they can be sold. That's without even getting into what it takes to actually keep a large group of players working together, entertained and logging in, and working towards a common goal. It only seems easy because the successful groups making it look easy, the non-successful groups explode pretty spectacularly sooner or later. Look up Atlas Alliance for a great example of an organizational failscade.
• And lastly I can find zero instances of baltec1 saying anything about high-sec earnings, let alone a complaint in this thread, and I can't recall him saying much if anything about it anywhere else either. He's generally pretty knowledgeable and doesn't shoot his mouth off without something loaded to back it up... like, you know, facts.

This I would pay money to see...

What? That you're too lazy to go and take those assets from them?

Quelle surprise.

Wrong but your a relative newb compared to me

Which part? That suicide gankers only represent a percent of highsec residents, or that CONCORD is not there to prevent interactions, just punish?

At best, there are only a hundred or two players actively suicide ganking (as estimated from 'Active PvP' window in killboards like this one) compared to the tens of thousands of characters that log in each week to move about highsec. Shooting other people in highsec is definitely a niche activity.

As for CONCORD, Jonah provided the exact same reason CONCORD exists as CCP does in the New Pilot FAQ, the document written by them to teach players how the game is designed and works:
I know you have some irrational belief that you understand the game design of Eve better than CCP itself for some reason, but you are just denying reality now. CONCORD clearly is designed to deter violence in highsec by imposing a cost on aggression. If CCP wanted CONCORD to stop violence, or violence not to exist in highsec, there are much simpler game mechanics, like locking safeties to green now that we have them, which would completely prevent highsec violence against other players.

From the beginning the designers of the game intended for there to be no safe spaces, and wanted to enable PvP aggression if those players were willing to suffer the consequences. That is the game they built so long ago, and that is the game we have today. Denying that reality (or reality in general) isn't a very healthy way to go through life and sets you up for unhappiness when your expectations of reality don't match the real thing.

Players who don't want such a game where players can shoot each other everywhere, and violence can find you non-consensually even in the safest space in the game, should just go find a game where those would be considered exploits, not features like in Eve Online. There are plenty of games like that out there.

That is a very disturbing thought.

"Sov holders get stuff for doing nothing" is almost as dumb as the "minerals i mine are free though" blurt of combustible ignorance i see from time to time.
OP has no real point to make and seems to have mistaken his butthert for someone else's character flaws, common enough in any combat environment.
The CCP Oveur quote was that piracy is meant to be harder in hisec, not impossible and by no means implied that EvE was designed unable to support such activity.
In civilisation, resorting to force and violence is barbarism that proves corrosive to that civilisation.
In a realm of spaec-gods unfettered by anything but overwhelming opposition, the appeal to morality is a non-sequitur.

Trust CCP, if wrecking fools hurt the game they'd be right onto it and have been in the past.

Why have you just wrote a wall of text of something i didnt even argue about lol... thats funny...

He wasn't addressing you, he was addressing the other troll.