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Can some other type of rigs also get bonused for building fuel blocks? Having only structure rigs get a bonus for fuel blocks seems unbalanced in that they will be more or less 'required', especially if the structure owner doesn't have a POS to build them elsewhere. Currently you can build fuel blocks in component arrays.

I'm sure what I'm about to type has been stated multiple times through out the process of this structure rework in EVE.

The Medium Engineering Complex will require 9 hours of vulnerability weekly, with 18 hours and 36 hours for the Large and XL Engineering Complexes respectively

... is a stupid mechanic. Give them an extra timer for reinforce or destruction but making something in space invulnerable for all but 9/18/36 hours a week is lame. The most common argument is 'this is the way it worked before technically' and while I agree to some extent with POS's and outposts being easy to change when the timers came out, think of it from a hostile FC standpoint... I want to make a name for myself in my new alliance by going out and reinforcing stuff, picking fights, poking beehives, flying spaceships. With a POS or outpost I can go do that, it's floating in space and I can shoot it to provoke a response. You've made all these structures literally invulnerable for all but a tiny window. It's a giant **** mechanic in a game that used be HTFU or GTFO.

Too expensive and too many rigs.

Not worth switching and will make you non competitive to buy in.

Will stick with POS's till they remove them.

Will elaborate more later.

No new POS from December.

What's happening to moon mining?

POS are still available. Outposts are what will be blocked after December (aka, Sov Null stations).

I know, right?

The armament found at my company's factories makes the average army base look like the Nerf aisle of a Toys-R-Us.

That's the problem, though. For a small-sized group, or for a group of casual players, even the Medium Citadels are somewhat unattainable (and can be a pain to defend if you aren't in highsec). A group of 5-10 players have as much right to exist as a group of 50-100 or 500-1000. The Mediums also aren't very kind towards nomadic groups.

I would love to see a Small Citadel that had docking, tethering, and repairing, and that was it, in the price-range of a fully-fit medium tower (~400 mil). No rigs or modules, no services, just the ability to dock, tether, and repair. The ability to have a corporate office would be nice, but I'd sacrifice access to that for something smaller and more mobile that would work well as a base of operations for a smaller or more mobile group.

A Small versions of the Engineering Complexes that can only have a Service Module (in order to actually enable the production or science available in it) with nothing else in the way of rigs or fittings would be desirable, as well, for smaller or more mobile groups (granted, industry generally isn't all that mobile).

Make the packaged size 10k m3 so a Blockade Runner can carry one along with the group as they move around, and give them only a single reinforcement period, too, so they aren't overly strong as forward deployables in an invasion.

Honestly, the current structures seem like they're pushing small groups either into living out of NPC stations, or into joining larger groups.

As an aside, another huge benefit of the POS is the ability to ninja one up in hostile space, either as a temporary base of operations when day-tripping in a wormhole, or at the edge of enemy sov. They're a quick way to grab a temporary foothold that are disposable, if necessary.

Did i ever say in my post that there were any planned thing about small sizes of those structures ?
I'm poiting out a fact :
POSs will at the end, disapear, and with this disappearance, a whole part of the players will not be able to plant their tent anywhere they want in the game. To do that, they will need to have a huge amount of ISK (minimum 5b -ish ISK) and social relations to defend it properly.

Clearly not a thing anymore for little group of players or a solo player, unless they/he got the ISK and relations.

I kinda wanted to start with sometime positive, so way to go art department, really good work on the models.

Then we get to the timers and defense capabilities of the EC's I am not sure what the idea behind the long timers and paper thin defenses are but unless you can anchor the EC within weapons range (between 150km and 300km would work) of a friendly Citadel, not sure what the point is. Given that the majority of the owners will be industrialists with possibly little or no interest in PVP, this forces them to spend a very long period of game play time sitting around doing nothing but watch lights blink kinda boring game play.

At this point I am thinking if the industrial mods and rigs fit and work on a Citadel, why should I use this structure, not sure the building bonuses alone would justify using the new EC structures.

I have many doubts on what is actually being achieved here, because I know industrialist and have spent way too much time in a factory and lab my self I don't think this is the correct direction to take the industrial structures. It looks good if you want to attack it, but the only 2 groups will gain from this are PVPers and the guys who build EC's .

A big part of the game of manufacturing revolves around working towards maximum efficiency. Max efficiency reduces cost and maximises profit.

This is not something that people worry about when fitting rigs to ships. People are happy to accept a trade off.

Yet here, 3 rig slots each structure and 400 calibration, yet all t2 rigs require 150 calibration.

This is really saying, you can only maximise efficiency on 2 things, and not quite on another.

What's the thinking behind this restriction? Why not let us work to maximise what we can in 1 structure, rather than not be possible?

It seems like yet another gimp of industrial gameplay for no real reason. The more I look at this devblog, the worse it looks for small groups and solo play.