Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the game would benefit from more choices in regards to T1 hulls and weapons systems.

T1 hulls that fire larger sized rounds should inherit bonuses from lower hulls.

If I fly a Caracal the bonuses should be:

5% bonus to Rockets, Light Missiles, Heavy Assault Missiles and Heavy Missile rate of fire
10% bonus to Rockets, Light Missile, Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile Velocity

Likewise for the Typhoon

5% bonus to Rockets, Light Missiles, Heavy Assault Missiles, Heavy Missiles, Cruise Missiles and Torpedo rate of fire
5% bonus to Rockets, Light Missiles, Heavy Assault Missiles, Heavy Missiles, Cruise Missiles and Torpedo explosion velocity

It doesn't make a great deal of sense that you can fit a rocket to a specialised missile battleship, greatly reducing the potential dps and receive no missile bonus at all. But you can fit them to a frigate or a destroyer and get huge bonuses.

Fitting smaller systems is already a nerf since the systems do vastly reduced damage.

Lets look at an example of what the system would look like on a Typhoon before everyone screams OP'ness.

Unbonused T2 Rockets on a Typhoon all L5 skills:

DPS: 173
Explosion Velocity: 250.937
Range: 14.1km


Bonused:

DPS: 216
Explosion Velocity: 313.671
Range: 14.1km


Hardly overpowered imo and allows for an enormous amount of new fits opportunities.

why should bigger ships just flat be better?

Since i started playing eve in 08 i have wanted a battleship sized module that launches ~1k rockets at a time, think an even more rapid launcher...

It will never see the light of day because of balance issues but it'd LOOK amazing especially with the new-ish graphical prowess of the engine

Except A: Rapid launchers aren't bonused even when you fit the right sized weapons.
And B: Frigates have guns that work fine against everything. The meta is currently heavily biased in only one direction, CCP Devs themselves have admitted it in a great many places, and this is something that would take steps to equalising out the meta between small & large ships.
Also C: If you aren't a missile boat you don't have a 'rapid' option anyway.

A rapid launchers are bonused

B small guns are given lower dps and larger ships are given higher EHP. the reason the meta is so biased has more than application to thank for that

C if you are a turret boat you can do much more to help your application

A: Every BC disagrees. Half the Widow bonuses disagree, Most of the Golem bonuses disagree, RNI disagrees, Half of the Raven bonuses disagree, Half the Typhoon bonuses disagree. So no, Rapid launchers are not 'bonused'. A few ships have limited bonuses to them in the larger range, and some cruisers have some bonuses also.

B: Higher EHP is useless when your effective DPS is lower, since small guns apply much better. And totally, it's more than just application, but you have to give something back to the larger classes, and it's not going to be mobility.

C: Not really. Everything a large turret boat can do to help application a missile boat can also do. And a missile boat can never be totally out tracked.


The Depot argument is actually a decent one, but maybe the solution to that is to slow down depots so they actually become a S Citadel you drop in a safe in the system, not something you keep picking up and dropping with you in every single mission/anom/sig/belt. They probably are too good at escape fitting and not good enough at working as a roaming base.

You already have the fitting choices. You can choose to sacrifice your bonuses and DPS in exchange for some application. That's a choice. Like you said, these ships are specialized. You can't expect to ram some undersized weapon onto it and expect the same performance.

A. those hips do have full DPS bonuses to the RML in the form of ROF in order to keep the bonus from affecting standard launchers as well.(with some exception)

Widow -> 5% rof (no range bonus)
typhoon -> 5% rof (no range)
tfi 7.5% to damage witch is exciting
sni 5% rof
Caracal 5% rof
orth 15% to damage and 200% to vel (50% reduced flight time)

this isn't even all but yeah they are soooo unbonused

B: yet i can get my BB to apply well over 80% of its damage to cruisers and nearly 50% to frigs still more than they do to me.How do i do it? I have a support fleet full of wonderful webs and paints. Mobility and cost and utility are the big reason smaller ships are favored over large ones. Look at frigs and cruisers they have a ship that can do whatever they want, probs, e-war, logi, dps. Battle ships? outside of a few cases its all dps and no one wants to lug around this slow ship gate to gate just for the dps they could get from two cruisers at well under 1/2 the cost.(hell when you take out the mobility issues suddenly you do see more BBs in the fleet just look at blops gangs). Battleships are still used in large fleets where alpha is king but most fights in eve are on the small side and BBs are just not meant for that.

C: do you not understand how application works for missiles vs turrets? if your expl rad is bigger than their sig no matter how fast or slow the target is going they will take reduced damage. so a torpedo will never do 100% to even a cruiser. Turrets the angular velocity is more important and even if their sig is smaller than your sig res(now it always will be) so long as the target has 0 velocity relative to you you can deal 100% of your damage. this is why missiles got a rapid variant and turrets didn't

Also just wanted to add when it comes to hitting small ships grapple beams are king

did you just use the power of a t3d to justify why these buff is a good thing??

also a few webs and suddenly that svip pops a rapier/Huginn or Hyena to slow them down and let a BB get ontop of it with a grapple and you can say by by. using the gal/minm logistic cruisers to give remote tracking buffs is also a strong way to help a BB

Eve is set up so that the larger the ship the more it relies on support. now i would agree that they are in a weak place but better application against small targets is not the best way to go about it. i would sooner see their damage raised letting them get 1k-1.3 on adv for t1 and 2k with a full DPS fit. this would not only help with low application so long as you had the support to help you hit but it would make them more useful against dreads and make it so bringing a two cruisers doesn't out match bringing a BB

also BBs were able to fit capital mods when they first came out with the new ones... it broke everything you had BBs with well over 1M EHP before heat

EDIT: the bonuses are not arbitrarily removed. they are removed for balance reasons . if i could get the same or more dps and application with a BB tank why would i fly a frigate or a cruiser ever again?