EVE General Discussion

\o/ truly a victory for the New Order!

This may be the best change to mining since they removed infinite ice belts. :D

We already do show you how to do it right....just follow The Code....

And right there....a warp in.

People need to pay attention because that neutral slow boating over to you...may be doing it to provide a warp in.

I mined a lot in HiSec, but usually only when in the mood and needing relatively risk free capital. Once I learned how to run combat sites, mining was less important in HiSec because I could make a crap-ton more ISK running sites than I could mining the usual stuff. The only exception was Glaze, if I could get that it was decent income for less effort. I would tend to still run combat sites to sharpen my combat skills to at least 'dull' but mining had it's allure when I was tired.

The issue I see here is that AFK mining is a way to earn ISK while doing something else. The something else in factor with the ISK gain is the balance that determines how important it would be to the player. For those players where AFK mining is their primary income stream and they are doing 'something else' just to burn off the boredom of it, then it's either going to have a large impact on them, or none at all *IF* CCP also introduces more fun and challenges to mining. If CCP doesn't do that, then it's going to be a huge impact and really tick off this kind of player, which makes no sense.

If they are going to make it free to play to draw in more players, then why make a good chunk of the player base mad at you and possibly lose them? I don't get this logical conundrum.

As for CODE, they needed a win after their bump mechanics took a beating, so call it break even. I have no idea how many of them actually drink the kool-aid enough to believe the stuff I see their adherents post, but none of it matters. Their play style is what it is and we all have to adjust to each other. If you know what you are doing, they are a paper tiger.

CCP is CLEARLY targeting an increase of the player base and F2P is going to make it a bunch of people that really don't know what they are doing. So CCP is either going to have to continue to make the game simpler and more EVE PvE oriented *OR* just hope that sheer numbers of people trying to play the game will suck in that marginal % of the populace that would be interested in EVE as is. I don't know which is their target there, maybe a function of both.

So, we can keep fighting these titanic announcements of change from CCP, accept and work with them, or leave the game. That's really the only choices you have. Pick what works best for you.

"and that nobody should be immune to non-consensual pvp anywhere".

There is NO place some miner can go and be free of non-consenual pvp so your premise is again flawed to the point of absurdity right out of the gate"

I would rather disclose my affiliations. The thread hasn't devolved into a flamewar, and some good discussions were sparked.

Anybody who thinks ganking is easy hasn't scouted for targets. You look at the DPS pilots (often called F1 monkeys) and conclude it's simple. Their job is pretty simple, but they all need to follow the FC's instructions, as with any fleet.
The trick is in getting the DPS to exactly the right place at the right time.
It takes skill to make it look this effortless, so I'll take your dismissive statement as a compliment.

Mining,
in low-sec......

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excuse me question but are you a masohist?

[honestly mining in low security in current version of a game is outright bad idea, because a) there is nothing in low sec that would not be in null anyway b) you have no way to secure even remotely efficiently your mining operations in low - in high sec there is concord scaring of at least some onf potentiall assaulters, and in biggest chunk of null there is the NBSI directive meaning that when sitting in proper system, odds for you being attacked are quite low... not to mention that if you are in procurer/skiff you can actually attack that attacker first and he won't be likely to just hotdrop caps on you...]

Funny thing, elite dangerous mining is more "involved" and you know what...it's not anymore interesting then eve's, adding steps or other changes won't do anything except those that bot change their code to meet the knew steps, and those that earn income in a more passive way because of RL leaving because they won't see the point.

This fixation with mining, seriously it infests every gaming world you go to, people just hate miners for some reason in their obsessive compulsive disorders they fixate upon a single group then can't let it go, the obsession goes deep, who are these crazed people and why are they so deep in the gaming world?

I play, I do my thing, I'm not worried about group A, or what B does to earn income or how they play, I simply have no interest in worrying about those players...I just don't get why....nothing more to say, trying to reason with crazy is crazy.

Miners rub people the wrong way. it's something about their desire to be so neutral and uninvolved and passive. Curse those neutrals and their infernal neutrality.

You say that like it's a bad thing.