EVE General Discussion

Yeah and people are foolish with them all the time.

Maybe those pilots should not be foolish. Putting more than a billion ISK in your freighter has always been kind of a dumb move.

But while you can gank all day with the loss of little in ship costs the exhumer pilot cannot, his / her losses will stack so quickly that.....wait for it.....

He will chose a less expensive and tanked up the butt ship (procurer) so that your losses are more on par with yours and now they can legitimately defend themselves through, "economic defense".

This economic form of pvp is the only real defense that industrialists have. My proof is that:

1) procurers are quickly becoming the highsec ship of choice for mining because it is both cheap and tough, which makes its 'economic defense' high.

2) Most ganks of freighters are freighters carrying over a certain threshold of value as cargo, they have reduced their "economic defense" by making themselves too valuable for the ship's defensive capabilities.

As miners we currently have important decisions available to us, we can chose a high profit ship with reduced, 'economic defense' like the hulk or choose a lower profit but higher 'economically defensible" ship like the procurer. Your proposal simple makes all mining ships easy to kill to benefit you and takes any choice about ships and fittings away from the miner.

Let me finish with this: What if we made it so that if a ship (or group of ships) that were capable of ganking a miner that-that ship would cost 10x as much as the mining ship AND to further complicate things the mining ship had a choice between putting substantial firepower on his ship or more mining mods but game mechanics so favored firepower over mining mods that virtually every encounter between a ganker and a miner would end in the miners favor. These game mechanics reversed are what miners face everyday and we arent whining that your gank ships be nerfed, increased in cost or any other such change just to benefit our own petty self interests.

Um that all sounds hauntingly like hyper vigilance......

If you can't be bothered to at least align out when a neutral comes into the belt....yeah, maybe this is not your game. I mean seriously, is hyper vigilant not watching Netflix?

When he refers to "actual combat" he means consensual PvP. He'll no doubt tell us that he doesn't have a killboard history because Doc Fury is a forum alt, and he will decline to name his PvP character.

Nice try, but it simply means combat as in 2 (or more) armed opponents, consent notwithstanding.

The question is ill phrased.

Interaction as a term means that two people do something with each other actively.
There are no "types of interaction", only "ways of interacting with each other".

Interaction demands presence, physical or not.
It can even be over longer time-frames, but it demands presence.

Transactions describe an exchange of goods/money.
It does not demand interaction.

The interaction with the market interface leads to a transactions of goods/isk with another player.
The two of them are never actively interacting with each other.

Never
In
The
Process
Is
Anything
Interactive
Between
The
Two
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Happening.

My apologies for putting words in your mouth. You'll love the combat (Gila) I engaged in yesterday.

What is it with "code" and "afk miners" fixation, ok lets put legs on this beast;

Code; hi miner.

Miner, hello.

Ok...odd silence as they both wonder what else to say...

Code, What are you up too?

Miner, mining.

What is there to say???

Seriously 'code' what do you people want from miners or anybody, why at this point would any miner afk or otherwise want to interact with 'code' when your there to play the way you do, you are there to destroy their barges and exhumers this is like slapping someone then expecting friendships...makes no sense, code is so crazed about what they do you have outside websites dedicated to your deeds, the code doesn't want interaction, nor do they want "prices" to go up for ores, if prices go up for ores then prices go up for everything, ores are the base starting point for everything.

When I stopped playing a DRAKE sold for about 25 mil, now a few years later they are over 50 mil, yet the price of veld was about 12 ISK and today it is ~14 to 15 ISK per unit...a marginal increase at best.

Today I have been to belts, they are empty, many hubs that used to boast 75 people today I notice only average about 15 people, JITA use to be so jammed pack getting in used to be an issue...now its never a problem, a raven that used to cost me 125 mil ISK is over 200 mil ISK, plex when I first seen it sold for about 125 mil ISK, today billions, yet price for ore is only marginally higher...please explain this, the prices have gone up because miners and industrialist have left the game, the prices for ore are being set by forces that code is not looking at, As I run around in my exploration ship and scan I also do directional scans to see what's out there...the most mining ships I ever see are Venture and the most I've seen in one system is 5....in a noob system.

I absolutely disagree that 'miners' are the problems of the market, the market is stagnant for ores and high for ships, hell I built an incurses because buying one would have been a rip off, an Iteron V was about nine hundred thousand ISK, today about 2 mil ISK, industrial ships are stinkers for the cost increase in comparison to combat ships, sure procurer and other barges have gone up but that is only because they can produce ISK in greater quantity other then that industrial ships just don't gain in value as combat ships have...this means only one thing, less industrial pilots/toons in game, have you ever considered that it is the antics of 'code' that has driven away people?

Consider that, I'm not saying ganking ships shouldn't happen in high sec but to understand the eve economy and the background environment that drives it, less players less demand from a segment of players that are missing, miners, industrialist, casual players, higher prices for combat ships means someone is building them because they are in demand.

Anyway I've waffled on far too long.