Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So if you want to be a pro-bumper...practice on MWDing skiffs.

Good to know.

First, welcome to the game. It's probably worth reading back through the million other threads on this issue before concluding that people prefer to yell "please don't touch my cookie".

The same people that are frustrated that this same thing is coming up yet again have offered constructive criticism in the past, provided good advice to help haulers and pointed out all the flaws and exploits of suggestions, only to be ignored or told they are lying. There's only so many times you can discuss something reasonably while being accused of being a bully, sociopath or equivalent to a RL rapist, before you get frustrated and begin to treat others the same way you are treated.

So, don't be too harsh on the critics here. The hard line has developed because they've been continually attacked over the years.

In relation to your point about needing multiple accounts to counter multiple accounts, CCP banned input multiplexing late last year, making coordinated multiboxing attacks more difficult, however Eve has always been a game where players can have multiple characters logged in at the same time.

A couple of years ago there was a tournament where 1 guy ran a full team of 8 characters by multiboxing (New Eden Open II). He lost every match and was eliminated at the first stage. He struggled because multiboxing, no matter how good you are, is no match for multiple players working together.

So it's not necessary to have multiple accounts if you don't want. It's more enjoyable (for most people) and much more effective to make friends and all work together. That could even be a shared purpose that would help get your Corp aspirations off the ground.

Alternatively, if you stay away from the main trade routes, your risk of being ganked drops significantly. Join the Haulers Channel in game and the mailing list. There are always lots of short trips that pay ok and you'll never see a ganker if you take those contracts.


Absolutely you can and the figures from CCP suggest that many people do.

From figures published by CCP Quant last year, two-thirds of all players have only 1 account, which by definition means they can only have 1 character online at a time:

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86% of all players have 2 or less accounts, 94% have 3 or less and by the time you get to 97% of the player base, it's 4 or less accounts. The idea of large multiboxing gank fleets isn't the normal situation. They are the outlying cases. The total average accounts per player is only 1.5 across the player base and that has been stable for more than a decade:

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So absolutely you can play the game with one account. Most players do and the idea of an army of alts is one of those things we all assume is true, but when you look at the actual data, it turns out to be a false belief.


As a new player, the best thing you can do is find an experienced player and learn from them.

Hauling doesn't have to be less safe for you just because you are new. It will be less safe because you don't yet have an in depth knowledge of the game. There's the gap you need to fill. Knowledge, not safety. Once you have the knowledge, you can be as safe as any veteran.

I have used the same freighter and full T2 cargo fit BR since both were introduced into the game. Used through systems including lowsec. In other words. It's never been easy mode to catch me.

If you think some freighter kills are to easy mode right now, then may I suggest you help those players play the game correctly and stop being easy kills.

What Scipio said. You are going to die in this game. Just accept it and more importantly learn from it. After you get killed ask yourself, “What could I have done differently to have avoided dying?” If you can’t answer the question, ask other players in the game you associate with and see if they know. Or…and while this may sound weird, e-mail one or some of the guys who killed you. If you are decent/polite about it they might actually give you some advice, but don’t be surprised if they don’t.

You have a steep learning curve ahead of you, but it can be a fun one at the same time. Just keep looking at each death as a learning experience.

Especially from a self professed "white knight" (and by the way, why would anyone ever admit to being such a thing?) who spends all their time defending the two lowest common denominators in the entire MMO industry. Mining, and hauling.

You know, two playstyles with about ten clicks per hour of activity.

Yeah, and I'm actually an expert hauler, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the gameplay for what it is.

Without the threat of other players to drive more action on my part, it would be the easiest gameplay out there.

Again, use a scout and get webbed and end up almost guaranteed to haul without getting killed. If you can't use a scout or no friends are available, then use a BR. Where's the problem?

But let me guess, just one more nerf and it will be balanced?

Buy a 10 million isk permit from your nearest New Order agent, obey the Code and enjoy one year of bump and gank free game play!

I strongly recommend you put a message of support for James 315, the Supreme Protector and Saviour of Highsec, in your bio.

Good talk, fly safe!

Dammit Mag's beat me too it.

Just because ganking freighters is made easy by players who can't take even the most basic precautions (a scout in a noob ship), doesn't mean we should make it even easier to be bad and avoid the potential repercussions.

He is not the problem. You are. You are your own problem. Might want to look to that.