Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nope, that is a lie and an oft repeated falsehood of the anti ganking "community".

Pretty sure it was invented by the same guy who devised the "open fifty instances of the in game browser to crash your client when you get tackled" trick. That one was funny, because I'm pretty sure it actually got one of them banned for trying it.

Every gank I've ever been on, they just straight up looted the freighter afterward.



Because the anti gankers hope that if they tell enough lies eventually one of them will stick.

Double post 😑

You were just telling people to look at the bigger picture...

What safe looting?

How do they do this? As per the OP's explanation?

Maybe you can post different figures to what I posted on the previous page then that shows that this is an issue?

In addition, why is the looting in a gank, any safer or otherwise from any other looter in highsec?

I don't gank freighters...well except for various Burn XXXXX events. As I said, you are the problem. Figure out what you are doing wrong and fix it.

Ahh so it has to be a disposable alt? Not just an alt, but a disposable alt? (I posted the word twice, was that enough?)

I also find it funny that that the AG crowd complain about easy hauler kills, but apparently a DST sat waiting to be filled is too safe. Ironic.

I too always find this funny. They go on and on about "easy kills" and "no risk" and then beg CCP to make bumpers and looters to be made suspect so they can shoot them like fish in a barrel from behind the protection of CONCORD. It brings a smile to my face each time.

Don't get me wrong, looting stolen goods should be a conflict driver and I wouldn't mind it if something was changed so it could lead to more fights, but the lack of awareness of the irony of asking CCP to make it easier to shoot defenseless industrial ships is delicious.

You have a few second cover before concord have killed all of it.
You don't, you just ignore all of the other options.





Of course its ganking being talked about, you want to nerf tactics used by gankers to make yourself even safer despite the fact that its super easy to avoid in the first place.


It is yet another nerf to an already over nerfed activity and falls into the "just one more nerf" argument that has been so destructive to highsec content over the years. Its always the same, you damand nerf after nerf after nerf until the activity becomes impossible and vanishes all together. This is what has happened to profitable barge ganking and jecan thiefs, both of which no longer exist.

I have removed a post and those quoting it for the above reasons. If you have an issue with the moderation of the forums, the correct procedure is to file a support ticket, not spam the forums.

Perhaps some of the context you are missing is that Eve is an ancient game - almost 13 years old - which is really old by almost anyone's standards which means this discussion, which is essentially should the game be made safer, has be hashed, re-hashed, and then hashed again many, many times. Since Eve is a competitive sandbox game, almost any change made has a direct and profound influence on the balance of the game and of the players in it. That is not to say changes should never be made, but it is extremely common for players to come to these forums and suggest an "idea" which primarily benefits them at the expense of other players, rather than a change that is truly beneficial for everyone and is consistent with the type of game CCP is trying to develop. Haulers have been coming to these forum for over a decade suggesting that things be made safer for them, which of course is a direct detriment to the players who hunt them in the game (an activity the developers explicitly intend to exist).

Therefore you end up with yet another incarnation of this thread which has people on one side arguing that their game should be tilted in their favour and the other guy's game made harder because they have it too easy, and the other side saying that no, their game is actually hard enough, and the other side is just whining. Sometimes one side is correct, sometimes the truth is somewhere in the middle, but often things get heated as both sides see the other side is being unreasonable.

In this case, bumping has been here since the dawn of the game and debated endlessly and the developer has even ruled that it is a legal mechanic in the game. With those facts, you can see why those that frequent the forums get tired of hearing the same complaint over bumping raised each month (granted, usually by different or new people) and when no actual "idea" is presented other than some module that eliminates the mechanic entirely like the OP in this thread, accuse the poster of whining. In the end that is the game, and if you don't like it, your only option is not play. By all means, if you have a novel idea on how to make the game better you can present it, but if you are just going to complain about a legal and established mechanic then expect to catch some heat and accusations of trying to change the game in your favour.

There are plenty of other games out there, most of which are less competitive and cut-throat than Eve. For many of us that is what drew us to this game and why we are so passionate about protecting it, but Eve isn't for everyone, so I am sure you will have no problem finding another game to play. You will be much happier finding that game which suits you better instead of spending your life futilely arguing on these forums in an attempt to lobby the developers to change Eve to what you want it to be like so many players here do.

Like a bad relationship, it is much better to break away cleanly and find someone who suits you better and you enjoy spending your time with, than to spend all your energies trying to change them into your ideal mate.