Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is the strange thing with these proposals. Posters, like our friend here and the OP, are so fixated on bumping they are oblivious to the effects a change to bumping would have on the rest of the game. It's like their anger of specific groups, or gankers in general, blinds them to rational thought and, like a dog that won't let go of a bone, refuse to give up the notion that something must be wrong with the mechanic. The thing is, capital ships are very much intended to be slow, lumbering and vulnerable to smaller ships and more technically, it is likely impossible to change the core of the game physics that enable bumping.

Now I am sure CCP can come up with some change that would specifically help freighters in highsec by changing some stats and/or adding a new module/ship/deployable, but even if CCP did move on this front, the end result would be the same. It's like these posters are angry citizens, protesting in front of the local government office to close a road to their village because they don't like all the tourists and want to be left alone. But the government is not going to close the road because it is important for everyone, and even if they do decide there is something wrong with that specific road and close it, they are going to build a brand-new highway to that village that perhaps will bring even more tourists. Same with bumping, if CCP makes a change it will be to replace it with another method to efficiently attack freighters in highsec, not just remove the mechanic wholesale.

Now I am pontificating, but I think it is this palpable anger that gives many in the anti-ganking community an off-putting stench which repels most players from sticking with them long term. When your game play is solely motivated by spite and the desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason, it is hard to find much fun in playing this game. Don't get me wrong, I think one of the great things about Eve is the ability to induce these emotions, but everyone should remember this is still just a video game you are suppose to be playing for fun.

But now I am all off-topic. Bumping, or an equivalent mechanic, is needed to make hauling a worthwhile profession and to balance the immense cargo capacity of freighters. Freighters are already piloted with near safety by professional haulers. There is no need for a change.

Ganker calm down.

"I know you are but what I am?" Cute.

You can call gankers many things but they always seem to be having fun. Not sure you can say the same about anti-ganking - in fact that channel is often full of... angst. But whatever, this is all off topic. OP, please forgive my musings.

In terms of fun, games and maturity of discussion, you have two types of folks in this particular thread:

- one which tries to discuss some game mechanics, trying to provide their arguments in a civilized manner, without discussing philosophical or moral implications of ganking as a playstyle. You'll find most of the folks you'd classify as anti-gankers in this thread falling into this category with some of the gankers (usually those not related to code or goons) being reasonable or at least civilised as well.

- the other which bitterly refuses to consider anything the opposing side is saying without providing any better argument aside from "it is working as intended", "emergent gameplay" etc, while - at the same time, throwing basically personal-level insults at those opposing their views. Quasi-intellectualism aside (and I see some of you have a fetish for that), your insults are on elementary-school level. I mean, anti-gankers stink? Seriously?? I do hope you're like 13 years old, otherwise that is really sad.

As for those arguments stating that this is intended way of the game, let me remind you that this game is a work in progress and that it has only been a year or so that CCP finally started looking at and fixing some of the old and basically broken aspects of the game. Skynetting, garage cynoing, bumping inside force fields, boomerang ganks... all of those things used to be the 'norm' but are gone nowadays. Perhaps you think that bumping in general and bumping freighters in particular should stay the way it is forever but my money is on you getting a nasty surprise sooner then you hope.

What I personally find amusing is the amount of toxicitiy and bitterness that comes from you two in particular (Kaarous and Pedro). It is as if you've defined YOUR gameplay on hating a specific section of this game's population and if the tools for your hate were to be changed you'd lose your purpose. I'm not saying it is like that but you certainly come across 'feeling' like that. Also, the "spite and desire to hurt players you don't like for some reason" are defining characteristics of code/goonies. Y'know, 'since my divorce'...

I thought that trolling is prohibited by forum rules. Or are you taking yourself seriously?

So you are taking yourself seriously. Gosh...

Honestly, talking to a brick wall is more productive then trying to prove a point to you guys.
Also, please do prove me wrong and show that you're not making stuff up by finding one instance of me using bumping and bullying in a serious sentence (i.e. me saying that bumping is bullying).

This is all I get aimed at me every time. Even in this very thread I have listed a number of ways of countering these gankers only to have the anti gank brigade ignore them and continue to rant and spout very easy to expose lies all while tossing insults towards anyone who points out they are wrong.

Bumping may change, but I think it might be you that is in for a surprise if that happens just like when the freighters were rebalanced. Actually, it shouldn't be a surprise since I pointed this out several times now in this thread that bumping is not going to be removed without an equivalent mechanic put in place to make these capital ships vulnerable. If and when they do that, and the same gankers start using this new, hypothetical system and are exploding freighters at the same rate, what part of ganking are you going to latch on to next as "broken" or unbalanced? Or is that the one final change we need to put things back into balance?

Heh, where do you get this stuff? Why would I "hate" any another person for playing a video game for fun, let alone a specific part of this player base that has a one of many made-up space professions? This is a virtual universe where I get to play a villain, preying on the unwary and taking their stuff. CCP sold this game to me on that premise, and more-or-less continues to deliver that PvP sandbox game where no one is safe and I get to be part of that risk.

I may be a little direct with people who constantly come to these forums asking CCP to eliminate my game play (yet again) for their own selfish, or sometimes just ignorant reasons, but I am not bitter, hateful, or insulting towards these misguided souls. And certainly that does not translate into the game where if I am baited or beaten by someone while I am ganking (or otherwise), I give them a 'gf' and get on with playing this video game about space ship violence.

In fact, I have had plenty of pleasant and interesting interactions with many people in this game, including people I have ganked, people who have gotten the drop on me, and otherwise. You are one of the few people I seem to dislike on a personal level largely since you have publicly taken the radical position that I deserve the death threats me and my family have received for playing this video game as a villain. That I do find personally offensive, but that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand which is bumping for which you have not given a single logical reason why it needs to be changed in the face of many valid reasons why no problem exists. I am not even sure what you are trying to accomplish now as all you seem to be doing is accusing people of "bitterness" and making vague ominous statements.

I think we should turn the discussion back to the topic at hand, or this thread is not long for this world. Let me try, how specifically, would the game be made better if freighter pilots did not have to bring a webbing escort along for their safety? How would that be better for hauling game play, and how would that be better for the game play of those that hunt those haulers?

Meanwhile, I'll just keep webbing my Freighter pilot into warp and not worry about bumping at all.

I pass through Uedama, Niarja and Madirmilire daily and even when there are Mach's on gate, it's never a problem. The webs are too quick.