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Having spent 13 ears in Eve I absolutely detest this idea. Didn't quite take it seriously at first glance as I thought this was making a mockery of Eve but yes... this is obviously being rolled out and again with an emphasis on boosting low SP character.

Rather than wrecking the sandbox yet again it would be nice to see work put into actually expanding the game. Stop tweaking. Stop the bad tweaks in particular. Start delivering more content. Thanks!

My two cents.

Have injectors for individual skills been considered yet?
This would solve many of the issues that have been brought up.
Not only would individual skill injectors bring more complexity to this market, but it makes things more similar to the character bazaar: in order for a skill to be marketed, someone else would've had to buy, train, and extract that specific skill.
The main advantage of this is that the skill market remains a closed bubble; this way if I sell all of the SP for Amarr Carrier V, it gets re-marketed as Amarr Carrier V to another player instead of just giving them a ton of raw SP that they can redistribute into anything they want, potentially allowing them to gain an unfair advantage.

I don't have any particular qualms with the idea, as despite the cries of "pay to win" the SP will typically be reductive of the overall pool of SP, and it will allow players in the 2-3y range to catch up in small niche roles they may have been curious about but unwilling to devote time towards. However, I do believe this will draw into even sharper focus the need for a re-balance on attributes and remapping, as having a SP farmer (something in a dedicated skill map with +5s training L5 rigging skills over and over) starts to look really necessary if you're on a bad remap, particularly in the 5-50mil SP range, which is where lots of first year players will find themselves. The struggle to manage gaining necessary support skills while trying to get into fun ships is probably the hardest part of the first year in EVE (I'm approx. 90d out from the point, as a matter of fact; watching my planned SP farmer crush my main in skilling up is pretty rough), and while this SP change is certainly a nice sop, it doesn't address the greater issue.

I am aware that CCP has mentioned this issue and (presumably) are working on it, and I realize this may be out of the purview of both this particular thread and the developer group associated with this change, but how hard would it be to include a change like bimonthly (i.e., every other month) skill remaps or something as well in order to act as a stop-gap until a better system can be laid in place? While I certainly plan on using these skill injectors to correct my newbie skill up mistakes, it is more than a little frustrating that my "mistakes" are not ones of choosing things I didn't like, but ones of needing things across so many attributes I could not possibly skill them efficiently, thus falling behind a dedicated skill mapper because I wanted to play now rather than later.

''We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that you’re also ready for some big changes in EVE, ''


I am amazed at this rather 'economical truth' as Mr Cameron would put it, surely it was also abundantly clear that as many if not more players were pretty unhappy with the decision to even bring it to the table let alone implement it.
I don't really mind what happens with skill trading, but please don't selectively choose which feedback you want to take and that which you ignore and pretend wasn't said.

My main Concern is not in skill trading but the fact that EVE online is becoming a Cash Cow for Valkyrie's budget, a game which may be awesome, but is not EVE Online, will be separate to eve online and because of the way VR works will hinge not on the quality of the final game, but whether or not VR gaming will take off in the way many people want it to.
Skins, renaming toons, Skill trading, all of this seems a very good way to get a big injection of cash without actually changing anything.

I may be totally wrong, but this is really what it seems like CCP are doing. Please don't let EVE online fade away into a substandard game because you are concentrating on the possibility of another game being good.

let say you have lot of isk to buy skill points, i bet there is lot of people who are willing to buy that sp for chars with over 80m sp TO MAKE CHAR WITH ALL LEVEL 5, not because they need but just because they can.

so i bet new players are not going to get it after all.

Hi hello. If you like EVE Online then you should like CCP hf. You should also like for CCP to make boatloads of money and be financially viable.

Its good for them and good for us as players. The market has changed many times over the years and companies that dont change with it cease to exist.

The Undiscovered Country...the old and the unimaginative fear change, the control freaks and egocentric loners fight it to the bitter end...but when it comes to history, the Motherland, they are always the first forgotten. In this instance they are so blind with rage that they don't even understand the reality of what they are railing against. If any existing player sees this as a threat...well, some one needs to remind them its a computer game....and a business - only playable if its making money and retaining and expanding its pipeline.

Thus, this game needs new players - for both content and its future, to stay and pay, and these new players need to feel like they have a chance and have options rather than just be bullied by some self entitled 'I have been here longer than you' neckbeard. It will change the landscape of the game, for sure, but for better or worse is utterly unknown at the moment.

Keep exploring all avenues CCP, keep trying stuff on for size - you provide an utterly unique niche product to a very few intelligent adults, most of whom are very grateful for your efforts to ensure both your own and our futures in New Eden. Good luck with this.

this is mainly because most of CCP employees weren't around at the very beginning of the game and don't really understand the "learning curve" most of the player base have gone through ... an example of this is the removal of the learning skills them selves they removed those skills with no consultation with the player base .Sadly it appears to me that this "new crop" of CCp employees that work there appear to come in with this "ive got a really innovative idea that we should implement " without really understanding the culture that has developed in the community over the decades .... PS 140 million SP character adding his tuppence worth .

No, you don't get it. Read my comment more closely.

High SP players - with deep ISK wallets - have no reason to ever extract SP. If they need really need more SP immediately, they can buy the injectors which other players are creating and selling on market.

Not as amazing as how goons really love this. Hi skill-farming!

This is not comparable at all to character bazar. This is just micropay-to-own and another money machine for CCP.

The fact that goons - who seem to be hired by CCP to promote the thing - like the idea overly much, is a good sign that it will dumb EVE further down, and leave it closer to being just another ordinary piece of commodity-grinding ****.

Now, to be fair, I understand why goons love this. Their idea of EVE has always been about exactly what CCP is trying to commoditize - The Easy Win. As in easy-scam, easy-gank, easy-sabotaging any playstyle that is not their own. Which CCP really digs, because it makes EVE so 'dark' and 'hard' and 'HTFU', and go buy yourself some skills to cope, as of soon. It is important to realize that this symbiosis between CCP and goons has its roots in the fact that the nerds in Reykiavik long so much for the acceptance and recognition from the hip folks in Goonswarm that they will do anything to achieve it.

A fundamental quality of EVE has always been the common feeling of achievement, because we have all had to do hard time. The long progression through skills necessary to slowly rise in power and to gradually open the game up. CCP now seems focused on removing all the elements of this game that made it stand out and stick together - all the real challenge in game and now also out-of game. Insta-bingo being the truly pathetic goal.

Oh and the piece of spin in the dev blog, trying to smooth over the sale... wow folks, we're really surprised how much you want this change... It stinks!! But cheap spin and pay-to-win sort of goes perfectly hand in hand. Actually, I think we might be looking at the exit-scenario, in which CCP now has to produce a marketable revenue structure to match the founders' aspirations in a forthcomming acquisition of CCP.


I think you are right. And what's your point, goonie?