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Seeing as they have been out less than 24 hrs and all i did was google it you can bet there's a hell of a lot more doing it. Point being though it has now added yet another RMT to the growing product line of game items you can purchase externally.

Took this toon from 44m sp to just about 49.8m sp just today. Happy for the result and now time to go cold turkey from the skill injectors. It also allowed me to remove the mining skills I had when I first started that has bothered me for so long, skills that I haven't used in over two years, plus a few miscellaneous skills I didn't want there. Plus, big kudos to them for being able to inject any skill you want, regardless of whether you have the prerequisites. It is great for tiding up skill training.

Thank you CCP.

Considering that list is added to with any new item that's not surprising in the least. There are offers for ships out there, does that mean we shouldn't add any more of those?

Feel free to give specifics, else this line is just the same BS you were doing in the other thread, making erroneous claims and doubling down on pure rhetoric without support. I stated specific factors. You should be able to point to something if you have a leg to stand on.

No, we don't. And I've stated why. A player could have a superior performance split between characters and we'd have no way of knowing. Or they could have had superior performance even from before but due to a poor bloodline choice that effort and performance became irrelevant over time until remaps became a factor. Considering we're talking years with static attributes that creates sizable gaps in itself. Your position isn't taking into account the mechanics that would have affected those players and the impact single decisions made back then on having a top character 13 years later.

The only thing shocking here is that you insist on doubling down on saying people don't know what their talking about yet never actually provide evidence of it.

And thanks for admitting it was about time over effort. Thanks for recognizing that yes, you are entirely stating a players worth and investment was dictated first by tenure to even have high SP opportunities. Thanks for realizing that until yesterday no avenue for effort existed to close that gap save those explicitly allowed by those on top.

It's not really a contest if the player behind caymus has to quit the race in order for it to actually become a race. If he wants the throne back he can take it and has posted as much on the subject.

And the bigger irony is that for most it's not about closing on Caymus, it's about improving their own abilities for their own gameplay. They ARE doing it for fun and their own aims, but you refuse to entertain the idea that affecting advancement contributes to that at any level.

It may have seemed like a smart comment, but it was intended just as asked. If the idea is bad as a potential vector for RMT and should have been avoided for that reason, should the reasoning be expanded to all similar cases? If not it seems hardly fitting to hold against this and only this mechanic.

It really is, but I personally think the game loses more by trying to design around this rather than simply letting designers design what's good for game play and letting the teams responsible for handling EULA violating RMT do just that.

Probably could and would work fine until there were stacks involved. One could compensate by not allowing them to stack, not sure how bad that is for QoL though since I'm not a PLEX trader/hoader. Would probably bug the crap out of me though given how I handle in game inventory of the items I do have.

Though I'd wonder the gains there. Yes, you could track the PLEX back to its origin, but that doesn't really tell you who the RMTing party is any more that seeing that specific illicit transaction happen. It does tell you the original buyer, though unless done through stolen payment information it's a losing proposition. If it is there is a bigger issue than simply PLEX RMT for at least 1 unwittingly involved party.

You mean a thread where you have failed to provide a single counter argument to the side effects I mentioned and where you twisted out anything you could while digressing? Where you were denying economy laws? Stating that TSP will be cheap and everyone will be able to afford it easily? Where you denied official game and market data? Are you kidding me, get lost :D




He did. Everyone could do the same he did, everyone had the same options to be contestant for top1. But its him there. He made good choices. With bloodline, with skills, with attributes. Should it be his faults others did not? Is it his faults he invested in implants and others (maybe) did not? Should he be banned cuz of that? :D Is it his fault he did EVERYTHING in order to be top 1 for 13 years?

Thousands of players had advantage on him. THOUSANDS. He was top 1 because he worked for his aim and performed better. Be it by purchasing implants, not losing pods without upgraded clones, or whatever else. He outperformed.

Of course you do not know, check top10 chars, most of them are not making max sp/h. Do you know why? Because it is quite hard to optimize everything to do it constantly. Dr Caymus was better than them obviously so far, but things change as he cannot keep max rate either + remaps are limited. So yes, it is a race. A long term race as every serious planning in eve demanded to be long term and commitment to the game had to be long term in order to achieve something. After changing game fundamentals after 13 years, what consistency can we count on, to be sure this game is worth our time+effort investment? After this change, we cant, there is obviously no sacred ground for ccp`s cash rush. Lot of players will find that it is not worth making long term plan and stick with it since they can be screwed any time over anything at all.

And of course someone who played way much less and invested way less time + effort should not get there. It is not about tenure it is about customers relations. People can buy high sp chars if they need them, they can even buy sp now, but they should never ever be provided option to take someone 13 years of loyalty. With this change, CCP send wrong message to the players. Even though some cannot understand it or do not want to think about it at all as short term personal gain is all they need. In the long run game loses and players with it as well.

I have proven many evidences already, they are still in all those topics, reason why you do not want to try to understand but prefer to troll is your problem.


And again you take things out of context. It was clearly written in my post that it takes TIME + EFFORT. It is obvious that you cannot comprehend what effort, so I give up. You will keep trolling/spamming anyway. Because choosing attributes, skill plans, remaps takes no effort. It is so simply whole eve player base trains at max sp/h, right?

Improving own abilities and gameplay is totally fine. Screwing up very loyal customers is not. That is why CCP HAD to put a hardcap on this. I cannot say I am shocked that they have failed, ever since they even brought up this idea they cannot shock me any more. Only the time will tell what will be the consequences. I bet on bad ones.

Since I have said I will stop replying to trolls etc, this is my last reply to you. I am looking forward your taking things out of context, with lack of ability to look at the whole picture, change POV, lack of comprehensions, knowledge etc to twist it any way you want and claim your forum victory. Cheers!

I just encountered another side effect I did not actually expect but is actually straight forward. Since SP now has a price tag, every change or addition of skills now end in arguments about how much it will cost to play this new content in $$ and how greedy that is on CCPs part.

Also, the claims about Freighter ganking harming new players seams to become true now since CODE. already ganked a 9bil ISK Ark of a 4 day old player.

True, it would be better if we could remove the skillbooks too, but I was able to take those skill points and put them into finishing my gunnery skills (15.8m sp perfect subcap with all guns) instead of it sitting there, doing nothing in the mining skillbook. I can just keep that tab closed and my OCD will not have an issue with it.

I totally agree to that

It's absolutely wonderful!

Not only that, but it's opened the door for more microtransactions, so I'm looking forward to CCP making more money, and spending some of it to code more EVE stuff, including quality-of-life things.

Basically, looking forward to seeing everything you hate. Your rage is delicious. Also, not posting much here, because General Discussion is full of threads, keeping me busy.

And also, I'm switching over to the upcoming Carriers / FAUX threads. Gonna **** that up for you. Again, because I love the rage.