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Am I the only one that sees a problem with this? It has all of the downside of a personal hangar but its much much larger. A single rouge director could trash all stored ships much more rapidly than is presently possible. This is probably not the best plan if we want wormhole space to be a healthy active area.

Well, in wormholes, there is a tactic used currently to jump in ships and self destruct to deny attackers the spoils

If you are allowed to "Trash it" once an attack starts, someone could trash everything and deny all loot, in that spirit, you can still undock and self destruct, but it takes much more time and gives loot, rather than just going away with "trash it"

The timer takes 24 hours to unanchor, so if it happens after CEO logs off, odds are he will login before it finishes

You can board and self destruct the contents of a SMA

You are lookign at it from a thief perspective and it will be essentially the same now

WH complained about it from a invasion perspective and that is why it is setup the way it is.

You REALLY need to listen to the wormhole roundtable to gain perspective before you ask too many more questions. It will explain alot for you

Large has been clafirified to be 80K like the dev blog says, so you can in fact carry it in a WH

They have also said numerous time you can build L/XL in a POS, so not sure why you would have to build a medium first.....still not sure where that myth started....Yes, i am aware of the size limitations of a pos and so is CCP. lets see what they do before we say we can't do XXX

What part is unclear?

Devs are incredibly active on Slack and we have a very good handle on what is happening

I think you underestimate how attractive a killmail eorth several trillion isk will be. Also keep in mind the number of battleships listed is what is required to do the deed in the minimum time by hitting damage cap.

A fully fitted XL citadel is worth as much as a Titan, but I think you are right, nobody is going to bother.

Also another of my concerns is that on the paper (of the dev blog) all citadels can be destroyed, but in reallity, who is going to kill a XL citadel in a low class wormhole or in high sec? In a c1-c2 cruiser-only wh a large is already troublesome to take down.

However is fun how in just 3-4 pages we passed from people stating "a large and eve XL are a juicy kill mail and they are easy to destroy" to "large and xl in high sec / wh are too hard to kill since the dps requirements are too high".

Just a hint, I don't want to convince anyone and it's not directed to black pedro, but people should go have a look at the pos attacks happening in the last year in high sec and low class wormhole: a good number of them are on inactive POS, commited by a single person or a single player on a couple of bashing alts (biggest I've seen lately was 3 bashing alts). Why do you think it's going to be different on medium and large citadels? Because of the loot? The very same loot that will be sent elsewhere due to citadel mechanics or simply lost in wh space? Because of the kill mail? If you want a easy 300 mil kill mail go gank a hulk in a catalyst.

Do people want another idea of how people are going to react to "pointless bashing of structures in high sec and low class wh spaces"? Go look the POCOs (Custom Offices), even in WH space, even if they are quite easy to deploy, nobody is attacking a custom office unless the owner corp have setted up some crazy taxes.

While your ideas could work with some tuning, I want to bring you to the other level of understanding why there are no real kills of active pos in places like high sec, and why rarely you see small and medium pos in any wormhole.

It's not the mass, the cost or the worth of the pos but it all reside in how defender and attacker interact.

Let's say Black Pedro Piracy Ltd. war dec my corp, the Robertas Space Industries, aiming to destroy my small pos I use to compress ore during my mining op in high sec, and my large pos where I build stuff and research.

Is it worth to defend the small pos? no ofc, I'll tear it down and store it in a station for when the storm has passed.
What about my large pos? Inside it I've all my valuable bpo researching me and te, copying my capital parts and building t2 / t3 stuff. Am I going to risk all my stuff just to not interrupt the jobs? No, most are going to cancel all jobs and store everything inside a station, but at this point what's the reason of defending the large pos? There's no reason why should I, so since it's empty, I'm going to tear it down too and guess what, store it into a station. This is not an issue with war decs, because trust me, halting the production of a fully working pos can cost the owner from a few milions to even billions lost, almost like losing it, the difference is you don't see it in the kill mail, but the missed profit it there.

Considering a large tower take 30 minutes to anchor, 30 min to online, no time to shut down and I think 30 min to unanchor, I guess large stations are going to be alike, probably to 2 hours to anchor and 1 to unanchor. Mind, the dev blog stated a freshly anchored station will go invul for a day, it didn't state how much time would it take to anchor and unanchor. Long story short, an active medium or large citadel in high sec will probably be unanchored before the war start, so your idea of having the entosis working on them will go down the drain, since only either corp that plan to defend it, or abandoned citadels will be there when the attack starts.

So that's why I said in my previous post, entosis yes, but only on inactive structures, so in high sec people will go around hunting for inactive ones, clearing the land scape by unanchoring and selling the citadel or recycling it for their own use. This also will work well in wh space, as finding an abandoned station is going to be a thrilling and new experience, very different from grinding it down for some loot and another killmail. Not to mention, bring a large or xlarge one we already all agreed it's going to be not so easy, so the capture of an abandoned one can be a very valuable find, beyond the simple monetary value of the structure.

All of this stuff about wardecs wont apply to wh ofc, because you cannot be able to know when the enemy will hit, but my other point was WH citadels follow the rules of low sec citadels, but WH citadels wont be able to benefit from the real structure defining ability, the assets safety measure. I was just hoping there will be WH specific modules to counterbalance this higher risk of losing everything. Which modules I've no idea, but probably something to not make them show as 100% in the anomaly list and maybe rigs to increase sensor strenght. I wouldn't be scared nobody will able to find them, remember in WHs you don't have mission agents or incursions sending you in random spots outside the DScan, and all anomalies spawn at no more than 4 AU of a celestial object, so a fast hit of the DScan and a couple of probes will find it.

Small structures are in the game

They are:

Mobile depot
Cyno inhibitor
scan inhibitor
cans
bubbles


There isn't going to be a small citadel

What about a XL in High sec, they could never be attacked or what?