EVE General Discussion

When Sumone On EvE Says "Cry Harder" Or "Rage Much"

Simply Quote This In To Prove A Point.

Signs that your trolling is succesful and your target is infact, very angry and trys to turn it on you.

*Your victim screaming in all-caps at you.
*Personal attacks (Calling you a ******, idiot, etc).
*Being an Internet Tough Guy.
*Making a crude remark, before quickly logging off before you can retort.
*Threats against your ingame corp etc.
*Mercs war decking you non stop.

For you freelancer

Take a chill pill

Get off your pc

Go outside

Oh

And Grow Up :)

Marsha, you know I love you right? I think you're responding only to the surface of the arguments. I've written in much more depth about each, but let me talk about my points in response to your counterarguments.

1. Why do I refer to SP mules? No, SP mules under the new system is not the same as grooming characters for the Bazaar. Why? Because all of us have secondary and tertiary alts on our accounts that need limited SP (gankers, traders, mission runners, you name it). Grooming a character means you don't get to utilize that alt (I can give you the reasons for it, but I suspect you can figure out what these reasons are).

SP mules on the other hand can continue to train SP which you can transfer out while you fully utilize these mules for the limited purposes you've built them for.

Just as the comparison to Character Bazaar is specious, so is this. SP mules aren't Groomed Character Bazaar alts. They're entirely different, because SPs come with no reputation, burden, or set configuration. The characters thus generating this burden-less SP are not restricted by what you can do with them while they train.


2. "Heavily slanted to new players" wasn't the point. An IRL rich player gets an SP advantage that literally has no ceiling. They can pour as much money as they want, to gain as much SP as they want. This is not a reality that exists in the current system. The current system has high SP characters available, sure, but the availability is not under the control of the player who wants the SP. The Bazaar is a product of activity by multiple players.

In the new system, the only entity that controls how many SP a player gains is their wallet. Nothing that another player does has any effect on that determination.

Pay to win? You betcha.


3. If you thinK SRP is the backbone of the stagnation of the game, why would you support another mechanic that strengths SRP? I don't get it.


4. Please talk to anyone who trains for AT and ask them why they'd do something like training Rigging skills to V. Tight fits are the name of the game. SP and AT are tied together, sorry.


5. People can't unbiomass alts and then "voltron" all their SP into their main. Again, this sort of blind comparison to Character Bazaar is apples to oranges.


6. Why would EVE players return to cash in on SP? Probably because plenty of them have said they'll do exactly this on reddit. Accounts and money are under considerable RMT lockdown. It's not to say it doesn't happen in significant quantities, but the current PLEX to ISK conversion makes it less likely today, and accounts being passed to another player are easy to track using various network detection methods.


7. Alliances don't give away characters to their newbies en masse. Alliances will give away SP anywhere and everywhere. If you can expound on how exactly RMT for this mechanism can be detected and stopped, I'm all ears. I certainly can't think of a way, without effort from CCP that they have no current ability to staff.


8. You're arguing for the Awox switch now? The rest of your point is essentially arguing that awoxing, corp theft, spying, and so on is no problem at all. It seems a bit like a disingenuous argument. Do you really believe that all the players who choose to do this stuff are ineffective and their gameplay has no real impact on anyone?


9. Having hung out on GD for as long as we have, how well do you think EVE players grasp that SP doesn't automatically mean winning?

I'd love to post a detailed response. Perhaps you can tell I'm not shy about the quantity of words in my responses.

However, I haven't taken any leaps for my assertions at all. I've described exactly where I've started and how I've arrived at my conclusions in the two posts linked in my sig.



It's completely your choice if you read them or not, of course.



You would also notice that in that same thread, I did not initially take the contra position just so I could understand each and every argument against this change. It helped refine the argument which arrives at the conclusions I've posted in this thread for the sake of brevity.

I'm the same, and that's an excellent suggestion.

When is this going live? I want to buy some skill point packs asap.

Couldnt have been worse than that time 200 people tried to sing happy birthday over our TS. Lets just say it wasnt exactly TOTP material.

You know what, here is the thing, started playing 3 months ago almost to the day two accounts. I don't need the packets later I need them now. I am training battleship skills on one account and procurer on the other. It will take me at least a couple more months before I can even expect to survive in nulsec given I have no experience. Who in their right mind would train for 5 months and grind out farming ore in hisec, boring. I tried it, its not worth my time mining in hisec. Everyday I log on just to look at my skills trade window, boring. This is precisely what has hindered people from joining the game. I am retired so I have the time and the patience to wait. I am a convertee from playing wow since release. For most people its just not worth the wait. So limit the packets for the newbies to at least get them to start playing within 3 months, period. Leave everyone else OUT!! Have a good day

Sib, I love you and we should be married.

It was just a joke that I thought deserved to be made, image and all. My personal attitude toward all this SP stuff is neutral. I've suffered the skill trains and if this new system works out for newer players, I'm okay with that.

The SP consumption mechanic is hardly motivating to me, either. It's just too inefficient. But I can imagine there are players who will need cyno alts in a hurry, or have other low SP requirements that aren't as lossy.

The characters in the bazaar still have their market with typically larger sums of SP. If you need a cyno alt, or want Covops V in a hurry, you use skill point inject pack things. If you need a capable triage carrier pilot in a hurry, you head to the bazaar.

Love you. XOXO

Poasted from my ipod nano

This new Character skill trading idea sounds great. Now I can dissolve my alts and boost my main !