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Ask a diplo, I'm a line member. I neither know nor care for participation statistics. Either way it's still irrelevant as we would have lost systems if they had been too hard to defend with our numbers.

Then your comprehension skills need work. Not only have I not once stated it's too hard, I've even stated the opposite multiple times. The reason I have an issue with it is it's boring. It's like if they made it so you have to do a captcha every time you jump between systems. Captchas aren't hard, but they would be insanely boring as a game mechanic.

Well you're wrong. Incusrions hold that one in the way of straight money making mechanics by a huge margin. I make most of my isk trading in highsec, far more lucrative than any nullsec activity could dream of being. Level 5s and faction warfare both beat nullsec income too and are relatively low risk.

On top of which, fozziesov encourages alliances to grow, not shrink. The more bodies you have in the alliance the more populated and more defended your systems become. You know how the new mechanics work, right?

Lowsec is less challenging that nullsec. You can dock everywhere without being locked out of a station and if someone illegally engages you on a gate or a station you get NPC guns helping you out. The only reason nullsec is "safe" is because we mitigate risk. Any section of space I live in I would be just as safe as I would take steps to mitigate the risk. If I lived in lowsec I would be marginally safer than I am in nullsec, guaranteed.

Well I'm not changing the way I play, so nullsec can stagnate, die and take the game with it. These mechanics while boring are easier to ignore for the most part so we'll just make more non-invasion pacts and continue as is until CCP provides what they promised (an entertaining sov system) or until nullsec becomes such a wreck it gets removed or kills the game.

Like I said before though, CCP have made it pretty clear they agree that the current system doesn't do what it was supposed to which is why I'll be shocked if they don't put in many of the changes we've been suggesting anyway.

Some good and valid arguments there.
I appreciate your candour.

Sweet works better than sour, you know, for catching flies.

Perhaps instead of coming across as antagonistic (which is expected and anticipated anyways), try instead approaching from ground of mutual interest towards others, as we have.

Most of your opponents want the same thing as you do.

See what I mean?

They may be your opponents ingame, but here, they want a solution to both your problems as much as you do.

Use that. Align with them, towards that.

This whole shitstorm doesnt have to be "us vs them", when both want the same.

"(not that the opinions of a 2 year old NPC player mean much)"
Ouch!
Fair enough, considering I also called your talking head/forum rep position.
I can take as good as I give, thats ok.

at the very least, restricting the sov dildos to command ships or something, would help fix some issues.

But overall its just un-fun. I think we want raw destruction to determine sov ownership, not some strange timer minigame

You say it's boring because you have to fly around and chase people away constantly. If there were already active pilots in each system, you wouldn't have that boredom. That's kinda the point here.

If you think LS is easier to live in than sov null, you've apparently never lived there.

You aren't going to magically get a few thousand new accounts, so logic tells us that you need to shrink. You admitting you need more people under fozziesov is a good first step, though.

More people or less systems = the same thing. More alliances/corps in null instead of blue-ing everyone around you would drive content.

For the 17th time, you are causing stagnation. HTFU, change with the game or stop complaining.

Quite different titles, subjects, and even moreso on my part as to the excellent post I conceeded to, in all its specific points.

This is a lame attempt at generalisation, when you yourself forgot which thread you are talking about.
Happens to me too, sometimes I get confused who said what and where, but I always own up to it.

The stats are the stats. If the system promoted more fighting then they would be up. They aren't.

And while capital escalations might happen, they will be rare. None of the big groups want to play around with the dull mechanics enough to invade anyone and they certainly don't want to leave their systems with reduced defense so nullified frigates can come throw all of the timers, so you're unlikely to see many fights between two big groups escalating very far except for staged fights.

And can people really participate in sov warfare? Most small groups will be crushed by the bigger groups near them once the dust settles. Also, I don't know of many people that would say "a game where you can click a button then fly around a structure for 15 - 45 minutes? Count me in!"

Tisk Tisk, my dear Lucas Kell,. Your forum fu is weak.

For were you in top form, you would have pointed out that in this case what you believe is based on FACTS and EVIDENCE where as what your opponent believes is based on VAPOR and WISHFUL THINKING ie "well, one day in the future people will escalate to caps therefore the new sov system is fine".

You must return to the Mountain of General Discussion Wisdom and meditate to replenish your powers! It is then that you can come back to vanquish your foes, and by "vanquish" i mean keep posting till they die of old age...

*Jenn disappears in a puff of forum ninja smoke*

And again, you chose to live there. If you find it boring to have to defend a system you chose to live in, then don't live in a system where you have to defend structures.

Rat in a PvP fit and jump over when a grey/red shows up. It isn't difficult.



Intel channels a few dozen systems out trump any docking mechanics. You know this as well as I do.



Again, thanks for admitting setting everyone to blue is part of the problem. Stop bearing it up and set some people to red. How many times do you need to be told this?



Why exactly aren't you going to change your playstyle? Stop trying to force the game to change just because you are too lazy to adapt.

"I want to live in the safest part of space with none of the effort that comes from defending where I chose to live" --Lucas Kell, using logic, apparently

For the last time, they are only boring mechanics to your currently playstyle. Adapt. Adjust. That's EVE.

You purposely put channels in place that make life safe and easy. Change it to mix things up. I assume you've never docked and taken a cheaper ship out just to have a challenging fight, instead of stomping anyone who comes by too.

You need to change your playstyle because the current mechanics are enjoyed by other people. You aren't a special snowflake.

A compelling reason to abandon what you have is that you would get fights. You could spend time flying spaceships and shooting people instead of forum-warrior-ing complaining.

And what's the big deal with shooting friends? Its all in good fun. Shoot someone one day, fleet up with them the next. As long as fun is being had, who cares? This IS a game.

@Lucas Kell, Sonya Corvinus, Jenn aSide and other participating members of this honorable panel:

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What are your opinions and perspectives on this (slightly dated) vid below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3uTVTBKb_E

Is this not content, fights and EVE at some of its finest?