EVE General Discussion

Well, they're trolling sov and causing a response. You can argue about what trolling and warfare REALLY mean, but they are participating in sov by doing so. I don't see the problem with Huns burning border villages in the sov. system. It's the CODE equivalent to nullsec. If the bears are lazy, they'll lose their ship or, in this case, space.

Hmmm...



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POS construction was a good idea, poorly implemented

Mission running was a good idea, poorly implemented

Research and Development was a good idea, poorly implemented

Asteroid mining was a good idea, poorly implemented

Dust 514 was a good idea, poorly implemented

Incarna was a good idea, poorly implemented

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Sansha Incursions was a good idea, poorly implemented

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The artificial breasts of Sophia, a thing I invented

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Like a young man on Aliyah, my time here was merely rented

Nothing about my playstyle got harder. I live in highsec.

But that doesn't mean I don't recognize flaws when I see them. This isn't about some dumbfuck bear who can't figure out to use webs, this is sovereignty, one of the defining features of EVE Online. Furthermore, unlike bumping, which is part of the base physics engine of the game and can't feasibly be changed, this is something that CCP has complete control over.




Do you realize just how stupid a thing this is to say?

You would literally rather a bad change than working on something. I for one think that "something must be done!" is the battlecry of the, and I quote, "useful idiot".

And this is yet another example of why lowering the bar is a bad idea.

"using the mechanic at all" is "participating", according to you. But as out friend from MOA admitted, they are not there to participate, they are there to use the extremely low barrier of effort for the attacker to kill the defender with boredom, rather than actually fight for space.

And apparently, some people view that as a good thing, instead of a potential recipe for a lot of unsubs.




Except that it's not about "lazy", insofar as doing such a simple thing as tanking your freighter/barge, not autopiloting, using webs, and orbiting your asteroid.

Unless you think unwillingness to babysit structures for hours at a time (you know, in lieu of actually using your space, playing the game, or having fun) counts as "lazy".

I do not often agree with Lucas, and that's a huge understatement. I think that, by and large, if he's not trolling then he is more or less without merit of any kind.

But he's right about this. That's FozzieSov in a nutshell. Zero burden of effort on the attacker, all of it on the defender.

You could make the same argument about using your alt to do missions instead of web your freighter. Not using your alt to web your freigher is lazy. Not having a scout and intel is lazy. Change a word or two there are you have why ceptors can troll your sov.

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No one uses a mission alt to web a freighter. Hell, you just need to lose one alt slot instead of a station trader, then have it follow your guy around. You need less than a week worth of skillpoints to do it.




Because interceptors are fundamentally broken examples of speed creep? Idk, I don't think it fits. Or did you mean because the Entosis link was foolishly given such a low barrier to entry?

No, I want people who want to actually be involved in sov combat to have to put in a moderate amount of commitment, just like we've had to put in a lot of time, effort and isk to get where we are. A single guy in a frigate should be zero threat to an established coalition. I get that you hate that idea, and think that collaboration is the devil (you think everything's the devil mama) but it's unrealistic to have a whole group of people have to chase down every single disposable ship to prevent their active space being taken. It's the equivalent of an entire army having to take a homeless guy with a slingshot and no pebbles seriously.

I didn't need to whine about no big battles until CCP decided to get rid of them. We had battles, we fought over space, even some of the smaller groups took space. Did the system need improvement? Yes. Did the bar for entry need lowering? Yes. What's happened here is they've dropped the bar on the ground.

And no, it's not only an annoyance if we've over extended. In fact if it happens in space we don;t live in, it's no annoyance at all. What's annoying is having to chase interceptors around the space we live in while they attack sov with no intention or capability of taking it. You're having a whale of a time because you're entire alliance is completely useless and yet can now cause a significant reaction with no investment.

*cough* Bull *cough*. When yuo're solo you go after ratters and miners. Whenever you go after combat ships it's uncommon to see you alone.

That's because you've not had to do it. Surprise surprise, you don't know (or care) what the opposing side of the mechanic is like.

You don't see it reinforced because we live in it and chase off the attackers, that doesn't mean that nobody is coming in with trollceptors causing us to have to waste time chasing around shitfit disposable ships.

And everyone likes Fozziesov if we ignore some problems like Trollceptors or raising indexes desperacy. Which are the two topics every debate rotates about within these 11 pages of feedback.

Now, in regards to 1 billion ISK modules, MoA has 1100 members. If you are not willing to send 1 million per member in an attempt to capture space, especially since it's unlikely that you will lose it as we mentioned earlier, then you should reconsider where the money goes. If you can't spend 1 million per member, what makes you think that you will be able to afford TCUs and Industry HUBs when you capture said system?

And stop with that guerilla bullshit. You are not engaged in "guerilla warfare" with the Imperium as you are not damaging our economic infrastructure. KarmaFleet makes more on taxes alone than what you kill in a whole month.
You want more proof that you don't participate in guerilla warfare? Half of Pure Blind is open for a second attack that will flip systems / iHubs and stations to you. Why don't you do it? Dont you want the benefits of your so-called "guerilla warfare" ?

Anyway, to return to the point of this discussion: You don't want 1 billion ISK Entosis links because you know that you won't be able to fly dozens of disposable ships per day just to troll someone. There is simply no other reason.


ps: If you really can't afford 1 billion with 1100 members and 10% tax, I am sure that your directors milk the **** out of your members. You might want to have that checked out.

Well this thread has convinced me to resub. I need to get into this trollceptor action.

Goons, you really should have shed more systems than you did. You should have pulled back to Deklein and let other people move into the areas around you. Then you could have struck out at your leisure and expanded to a sustainable size in the new system. But you did not and now MOA has the ability to humiliate you at will.

With this system the future of eve is not megacoalitions with renters who are 3/5ths of a person. It is going to be small alliances eking out their own niche in the galaxy. This is good for everyone.