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Did you read the **** you just posted ?

I wonder if they'll call it the "Kenny".

Why do incursion runners get so defensive over the topic of how much they make? Deep down, they must know that something about the risk vs. reward is out of whack.

Look, CCP has already said they think incursion income is too high (2014 CSM Minutes, pg. 125). Therefore, they are very unlikely to raise incursion income significantly overall. Yet, how will they get players to run this new, more dangerous content that has not been min/maxed and features guaranteed ship loss via this Doomsday?

Their only option is to re-balance the incursion rewards so that the new content pays much more than the old content. Therefore, CCP will rebalance the payouts so the Drifter incursions provide income similar (or perhaps a little higher to cover ship losses) to the current incursions, and the current Sansha ones will either take a massive hit in income or be removed completely from highsec.

There really is no other option if they want players to run the new content. And since they just spent significant development hours making this content, they will want players to run the new content.

It will be fine though. CCP is not taking your Golden Goose away. The are just replacing it with one that will bite you occasionally. There will be a period of adjustment while players figure out the content, and they will have to factor in loosing a ship from time-to-time in their profit calculations, but highsec end-game PvE content will live on.

Incursions won't be nearly as farmable, especially if CCP keep changing the Drifters to adapt to player tactics as they have so far, but they will again be the moderately challenging PvE group content they were designed to be, instead of the simple, watch-Netflix-while-I-farm-for-a-PLEX content they have been for the last few years.

Oh man you should of seen the stupid things we tried in the early days LOL.

It'll take days at most before drifters are farmed in a similar manner.


What really cracks me up is Black Pedro though. People already farm sleeper sites and such while watching netflix.

if thats the aim of drifter incursions it sounds good and i can see the use of 5bil machs switched for t2/meta optimised fits

It won't show anything as by the end of the first day people will have it figured out and be farming it.

Even if CCP changed the setup on a near daily basis it'll be figured out very quickly and well farmed before the day is over.

If it's not farmable than few people will run it and CCP will invest time/effort/money on new content that no one runs.


I'm not sure why you have such a problem with incursions being farmed but not a variety of other sites/locations being farmed.

Incursions pay way too much for the little amount for risk and effort they currently requires. That was not always the case, but they have been beaten through optimization. Most, but not all people, run them to simply to make ISK and they are far too easy at that now. Yes, that is because the Incursion community has been good at min/maxing the system, but still they were never intended to be farmed at no risk but rather were suppose to be somewhat challenging group PvE content.

Incursions are especially insidious as a farmable income source as they are risk-free. There is no practical player-driven counter and they provide no additional content to the sandbox. At least someone farming wormhole escalations or ratting in nullsec is risking ships that can serve as targets for other players. Further that risk-free nature attracts players from other spaces who are just looking to farm something for an income depleting the population there.

The new Drifter incursions will be more difficult, and the DD builds some real risk into them. We'll see how CCP tunes them, but I can tell you that the rationale for removing the Sansha incursions and replacing them with Drifters is to increase the risk on highsec players (primarily through the new AI and the Doomsday). That does not mean that incursions will not be lucrative. It will just mean that players will lose more ships (stimulating the economy) and will have to pay more attention to these adaptable NPCs.

Fine by me. I have no problem with a group PvE activity in highsec. I just have a problem with one that has little risk and difficulty for the top-tier income like the current ones.

Indeed. Even if people are "farming" by the end of the day at least someone actually had to play the game to figure out the best strategy.

That is in contrast to the current situation where you read a guide once that someone else wrote years ago and repeat for months on end at no risk and with no challenge.

Highsec incursions are about about to get more interesting, dynamic and harder. If players choose not to run them because they are not farmable, it kinda says something about the content in the first place. If you want to farm, at least go to a space where you have to put something on the line.

Time to adapt incursion runners and actually play the game. All those previous optimizations are about to be thrown out the window.

here we go again...everyone knows fighting 5bil battleship fleets with ample logi isnt really going to happen when concord are watching your back, hense why you dont do them in null and lowsec because you would get smashed and you know it.

what other activities in highsec can you make more isk per account with same risks again?

Provide me with kill report happened recently of low sec/null sec fleet got totally wiped because of another fleet managed to kill them.

The 5 bill incursion pirate BS is about efficiency not ******* show off, you can work your math to figure out the difference between scrub T1 BS with T2 fit vs Vindi with blue fit. If you can't comprehend what I'm say then keep babbling about risk vs reward stereo typing. Please tell us more about the risk vs. reward in nullsec for the carrier ratters who are aligned to POS somewhere and waiting for neut to enter system and warp away.