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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#981 - 2015-05-26 16:11:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn, is this post you?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=134960&page=7&p=2063785&viewfull=1#post2063785

The avatar made me bust out laughing when I saw it.


Not me, but damn it I'm stealing that avatar lol.

Edit: his is an excellent post though. Recruit that mofo to EVE ASAP.


There are a lot of avatars in that thread that I recognize from FHC, including that one.

The odds aren't bad that he's already "won" EVE.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#982 - 2015-05-26 16:54:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
GankYou wrote:
CCP are an ambitious and very talented company, they will not be content with 60k PCU forever, if it can be 150k PCU. Can servers hold it? P

I think they overextended on non-Eve projects and under-delivered on Incarna/WiS.

There is time to rectify that after the Summer expansions and the Citadel structure system.


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Seems to me getting even 40K peak even at weekends seems now though job, especially if June expansion fails to meet expectations.

As I have said, CCP needs to focus/return to special (and only) kind of niche game (players) they have had so far to get back on growth.


You are "doing an EFT". That's what I call it, someone will have a better term for it.

EFT is great, it's light weight and portable and lets you theory craft and is IMO the best fitting tool around. What it can't do is tell you if your ship fit makes sense in EVE online. It can help, but it's not the whole story.

Same with EVE Offline. It can't tell you the whole story. It can't tell you that I (the owner of 4 accounts with 11 characters) have only logged in 3 of that 11 characters at all in the last 4 weeks because my alliance moved out of SOV space so I'm running high sec incursions on one screen while FoF Raven mission running on another (ie using only 2 characters at a time) instead of Quad Boxing FoF Navy Ravens in null anomalies (news flash, i like FoF missiles...and Navy Ravens....). I'm not the only one in that boat, lots of people are inactive waiting for FozzieSov.

PCU counts (and CCPs PR-ish touting of 'increasing subs' that they used to do) never told the whole story, it never tells you who is an alt and who isn't, who is on vacation and who is in school or who can't play because he wife threatened divorce unless he spends more time with her and less with his avatar that he made that looks just like her (lol).

TL;DR, the thing you are basing your opinion on doesn't mean anything.

I like you theory but.... It's been long time since last thread 'why i can't enter Jita'. Do you think it happened just because some players put their alts to pause?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#983 - 2015-05-26 16:55:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:


that's true, I mean this game has had 12 yrs to get it right and still cant seem to get it right, it's just very unnerving to know they're moving into well we'll try this or that. the end effects of fozzie-sov will end up back full circle again "we need to force folks to null cause now not everyone is coming to null" which means they'll whine to nerf high-sec.. I mean we've been here before.. over and over again.. that's why its honestly better to look at other options for gaming these days.

I liked eve for the chance she seemed to provide, but the blobbing, ridiculous cruelty to newbs, and attitude that she's placed is just out right stinky these days convulted ways of manipulating forced recruitment into large coalitions is at hand here. Sheeple and there's many sheeple will get bored and whine more on stuff to get nerf'd or removed cause they want to force their way of playing. this isn't the sandbox.. its a sheeple-box..


A text book example of a persons problem actually being themselves but blaming it on someone else.

I've met sooo many like you in this game (and others), people with unreasonable expectation who cling to a game not for what it provides, but for what it MIGHT provide at some point in the future if the people who develop it miraculously wake up and just do it right (aka the way YOU want them to) lol. The hint of "CCP wants me to blob in null sec" tinfoil-hattery is the second most delicious thing about your post.

I say second, because the 1st is, again, that your posting rights and your own post demonstrates that you've spent 12 years PAYING SOMEONE TO DISAPPOINT YOU when an actual rational person could have figured this out 11.99 years ago and saved a bunch of money, priceless time AND frustration.



maybe cause you met so many people should tell you that perhaps you have the outcase perspective and the ones you met have the same mindset.. which means we're more than you and should we leave it hurts your game even more..
lol.. I cant wait till competition comes and just to look how you guys love endless debates and blaming and deflecting im just going to laugh about it..
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#984 - 2015-05-26 17:07:19 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
GankYou wrote:
CCP are an ambitious and very talented company, they will not be content with 60k PCU forever, if it can be 150k PCU. Can servers hold it? P

I think they overextended on non-Eve projects and under-delivered on Incarna/WiS.

There is time to rectify that after the Summer expansions and the Citadel structure system.


http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Seems to me getting even 40K peak even at weekends seems now though job, especially if June expansion fails to meet expectations.

As I have said, CCP needs to focus/return to special (and only) kind of niche game (players) they have had so far to get back on growth.


You are "doing an EFT". That's what I call it, someone will have a better term for it.

EFT is great, it's light weight and portable and lets you theory craft and is IMO the best fitting tool around. What it can't do is tell you if your ship fit makes sense in EVE online. It can help, but it's not the whole story.

Same with EVE Offline. It can't tell you the whole story. It can't tell you that I (the owner of 4 accounts with 11 characters) have only logged in 3 of that 11 characters at all in the last 4 weeks because my alliance moved out of SOV space so I'm running high sec incursions on one screen while FoF Raven mission running on another (ie using only 2 characters at a time) instead of Quad Boxing FoF Navy Ravens in null anomalies (news flash, i like FoF missiles...and Navy Ravens....). I'm not the only one in that boat, lots of people are inactive waiting for FozzieSov.

PCU counts (and CCPs PR-ish touting of 'increasing subs' that they used to do) never told the whole story, it never tells you who is an alt and who isn't, who is on vacation and who is in school or who can't play because he wife threatened divorce unless he spends more time with her and less with his avatar that he made that looks just like her (lol).

TL;DR, the thing you are basing your opinion on doesn't mean anything.

I like you theory but.... It's been long time since last thread 'why i can't enter Jita'. Do you think it happened just because some players put their alts to pause?


I think that's part of it. But I know for sure that EVE Offline can't tell me for sure lol. And that's the point.

We get this hysteria all the time, EVE is dying, people are elaivng etc etc. I've seen it the entire time I've played, it's just like those doomsday people predicting the world will end tomorrow. And when it doesn't end they don't even break stride or re-evaluate their belief system, they just keep on predicting.

EVE is here right now, people should enjoy it while it lasts be that 2 more months or 200 more years. I don't know of one dead person who has a grave stone that reads "man, I'm glad i spent all 80 years I was alive worrying about death" lol, but that's what "EVE is Dying" people do.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#985 - 2015-05-26 17:14:38 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:


that's true, I mean this game has had 12 yrs to get it right and still cant seem to get it right, it's just very unnerving to know they're moving into well we'll try this or that. the end effects of fozzie-sov will end up back full circle again "we need to force folks to null cause now not everyone is coming to null" which means they'll whine to nerf high-sec.. I mean we've been here before.. over and over again.. that's why its honestly better to look at other options for gaming these days.

I liked eve for the chance she seemed to provide, but the blobbing, ridiculous cruelty to newbs, and attitude that she's placed is just out right stinky these days convulted ways of manipulating forced recruitment into large coalitions is at hand here. Sheeple and there's many sheeple will get bored and whine more on stuff to get nerf'd or removed cause they want to force their way of playing. this isn't the sandbox.. its a sheeple-box..


A text book example of a persons problem actually being themselves but blaming it on someone else.

I've met sooo many like you in this game (and others), people with unreasonable expectation who cling to a game not for what it provides, but for what it MIGHT provide at some point in the future if the people who develop it miraculously wake up and just do it right (aka the way YOU want them to) lol. The hint of "CCP wants me to blob in null sec" tinfoil-hattery is the second most delicious thing about your post.

I say second, because the 1st is, again, that your posting rights and your own post demonstrates that you've spent 12 years PAYING SOMEONE TO DISAPPOINT YOU when an actual rational person could have figured this out 11.99 years ago and saved a bunch of money, priceless time AND frustration.



maybe cause you met so many people should tell you that perhaps you have the outcase perspective and the ones you met have the same mindset.. which means we're more than you and should we leave it hurts your game even more..
lol.. I cant wait till competition comes and just to look how you guys love endless debates and blaming and deflecting im just going to laugh about it..


Well since ED launched 6 months ago, in EvE players online have dropped more than 33% (from 36K+ to less than 24K average online)...

How much of it is ED and how much multiple character skilling, i cant tell (i remember it were introduced much longer ago?)...

Guess we will see when SC comes out.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#986 - 2015-05-26 17:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Milla Goodpussy wrote:



maybe cause you met so many people should tell you that perhaps you have the outcase perspective and the ones you met have the same mindset..


Yes, there are a lot of crazy people. Since people believe crazy **** in real life, it shouldn't surprise me that I've met a dozen or so people in an online game that continute to pay people they hate (CCP) to make a game they don't like (EVE) on the slim chance that ONE DAY it will get better even though there is no evidence or suggestion that it ever will, then act like it's everyone else that's screwed up lol.


Quote:

which means we're more than you and should we leave it hurts your game even more..
lol.. I cant wait till competition comes and just to look how you guys love endless debates and blaming and deflecting im just going to laugh about it..


Just like the some of the people in the Elite forum thread I linked, you are just setting yourself up for more disappointment. In case you missed the last 12 years where people predicted EVERY new space game would kill EVE (SWG, SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jump Gate, Planetside, Elite, Star Trek Online, etc), EVE is still here. And it probably will be still alive in 2065 when SC is almost close to done lol.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#987 - 2015-05-26 17:24:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just like the some of the people in the Elite forum thread I linked, you are just setting yourself up for more disappointment. In case you missed the last 12 years where people predicted EVERY new space game would kill EVE (SWG, SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jump Gate, Planetside, Elite, Star Trek Online, etc), EVE is still here. And it probably will be still alive in 2065 when SC is almost close to done lol.


Pretty optimistic Big smile , but yeah, EvE WILL stay alive, if CC'p is willing to keep it alive.

Even with lowest subscription numbers it is possible, CCP just needs to adjust income to expenses.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#988 - 2015-05-26 17:27:14 UTC
0bama Barack Hussein wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just like the some of the people in the Elite forum thread I linked, you are just setting yourself up for more disappointment. In case you missed the last 12 years where people predicted EVERY new space game would kill EVE (SWG, SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jump Gate, Planetside, Elite, Star Trek Online, etc), EVE is still here. And it probably will be still alive in 2065 when SC is almost close to done lol.


Pretty optimistic Big smile , but yeah, EvE WILL stay alive, if CC'p is willing to keep it alive.

Even with lowest subscription numbers it is possible, CCP just needs to adjust income to expenses.


Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#989 - 2015-05-26 17:33:18 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
0bama Barack ******* wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just like the some of the people in the Elite forum thread I linked, you are just setting yourself up for more disappointment. In case you missed the last 12 years where people predicted EVERY new space game would kill EVE (SWG, SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jump Gate, Planetside, Elite, Star Trek Online, etc), EVE is still here. And it probably will be still alive in 2065 when SC is almost close to done lol.


Pretty optimistic Big smile , but yeah, EvE WILL stay alive, if CC'p is willing to keep it alive.

Even with lowest subscription numbers it is possible, CCP just needs to adjust income to expenses.


Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.


Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#990 - 2015-05-26 18:49:05 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.


Gotta throw out a variation of Malcanis' question.

Why are you still here?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#991 - 2015-05-26 19:00:38 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.


Gotta throw out a variation of Malcanis' question.

Why are you still here?




Ssshhh

ask after I get the stuff

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#992 - 2015-05-26 19:01:11 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.


Gotta throw out a variation of Malcanis' question.

Why are you still here?


Why do some people like to get spanked by leather clad women. The answer to my question and yours are probably very similar.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#993 - 2015-05-26 19:03:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.


Gotta throw out a variation of Malcanis' question.

Why are you still here?


Why do some people like to get spanked by leather clad women. The answer to my question and yours are probably very similar.


Well, of the two hobbies, EVE is probably way less expensive. So they've got that going for them, at least.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#994 - 2015-05-26 19:19:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

Justin beiber has more of a chance of earning an Oscar for playing an artist than eve has to stay alive that long.


Gotta throw out a variation of Malcanis' question.

Why are you still here?


Why do some people like to get spanked by leather clad women. The answer to my question and yours are probably very similar.
Nothing wrong with some dominatrix administered hanky panky if that's what floats your boat.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#995 - 2015-05-27 08:28:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Why are you still here?


I assume (from my own experience, but what i have heard others in EvE say too), that actually many people (especially those who can afford to PLEX their accounts) keep EvE even after they get bored to most of it, if nothing more then as a giant chat where to jabber on.
No other games offer offer so much variety in chats (that are well measured in size usually, Jita local ofc is pretty ugly).

Then there is that group of rich old bitter vets who just wanna blow up stuff ("griefing") in high sec with all those billions they still have left.

LOL, so many people wont leave EvE even when totally bored to it Big smile
Mark Hadden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#996 - 2015-05-27 17:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark Hadden
CCP killed a huge heap of content with their latest releases over past 2 years. For me, life in 0.0 was basically a mix of these things:
1) sov wars
2) med scale skirmishes
3) small gangs
4) (solo) gatecamping
5) roaming
6) (solo) solo ratter hunting
7) (solo) belt ratting from boredom

while many of those things are still a valid activity when there is a fleet up, there is nothing left to do for me solo personally inbetween pings/roams/skirmishes.

CCP first of all eliminated ratter hunting as they changed NPC AI aggro mechanics, which suddenly required you to fly some heavy/expensive/easy to catch ship into deep hostile territory.
Year or so later they introduced bubble immune interceptors which removed my second main activity which kept me busy when I was up for solo stuff: gatecamping. You cant siege systems anymore, you arent able to lock pipes with a interdictor, people will simply grab interceptor, invalidate your whole existance and laugh at you while flying off (feels like they are 90% of all traffic in 0.0).

I'm sure with those 2 changes alone CCP butchered a HUGE share of pvp content for lots of people who loved to roam ratting grounds or catch people on gates with dictor, so there is basically not much left for me and people alike, why I simply have no reason to log in anymore.
Instead of spending hours on eve and hanging around solo when there is no fleet up, stalking ratters or doing few kills in a pipe with my sabre, I now play other games - that simple. By now I start to question myself, why the hell I pay subscription for any of my 6 accounts at all.

my 2 cents bout the topic.

EDIT: oh yeah almost forgot about belt ratting, which CCP successfully nerfed into oblivion as they basically removed faction spawns, making (once special) regions like Venal or Stain into yet another NPC 0.0.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#997 - 2015-05-27 17:38:54 UTC
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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#998 - 2015-05-27 18:09:01 UTC
Mark Hadden wrote:
CCP killed a huge heap of content with their latest releases over past 2 years. For me, life in 0.0 was basically a mix of these things:
1) sov wars
2) med scale skirmishes
3) small gangs
4) (solo) gatecamping
5) roaming
6) (solo) solo ratter hunting
7) (solo) belt ratting from boredom

while many of those things are still a valid activity when there is a fleet up, there is nothing left to do for me solo personally inbetween pings/roams/skirmishes.

CCP first of all eliminated ratter hunting as they changed NPC AI aggro mechanics, which suddenly required you to fly some heavy/expensive/easy to catch ship into deep hostile territory.
Year or so later they introduced bubble immune interceptors which removed my second main activity which kept me busy when I was up for solo stuff: gatecamping. You cant siege systems anymore, you arent able to lock pipes with a interdictor, people will simply grab interceptor, invalidate your whole existance and laugh at you while flying off (feels like they are 90% of all traffic in 0.0).

I'm sure with those 2 changes alone CCP butchered a HUGE share of pvp content for lots of people who loved to roam ratting grounds or catch people on gates with dictor, so there is basically not much left for me and people alike, why I simply have no reason to log in anymore.

my 2 cents bout the topic.

EDIT: oh yeah almost forgot about belt ratting, which CCP successfully nerfed into oblivion as they basically removed faction spawns, making (once special) regions like Venal or Stain into yet another NPC 0.0.


they did do all of this but where does fozzie come up with the idea that there's massive amounts of isk in 0.0 space? I think he listens to his friends instead of seeing the reality of their nerfs.
Mark Hadden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#999 - 2015-05-27 18:56:40 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

they did do all of this but where does fozzie come up with the idea that there's massive amounts of isk in 0.0 space? I think he listens to his friends instead of seeing the reality of their nerfs.


there is a lot of ISK in 0.0.
My post was solely about pvp content, CCP removed from the game.

0.0 is safer than ever atm, you can do complexes or farm anomalies on mass while there is barely noone looking for you, thanks to said changes and phoebe, which rendered even BO drops pain in the butt.

As they made NPC protect you when you rat, from pvp encounters, CCP plans dont end there, they go a bit further and possibly include a cloak nerf, basically one of the last resorts to interrupt pve or ambush ratters in backwater systems.
There IS much ISK to be had.
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#1000 - 2015-05-27 19:52:04 UTC
Mark Hadden wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

they did do all of this but where does fozzie come up with the idea that there's massive amounts of isk in 0.0 space? I think he listens to his friends instead of seeing the reality of their nerfs.


there is a lot of ISK in 0.0.
My post was solely about pvp content, CCP removed from the game.

0.0 is safer than ever atm, you can do complexes or farm anomalies on mass while there is barely noone looking for you, thanks to said changes and phoebe, which rendered even BO drops pain in the butt.

As they made NPC protect you when you rat, from pvp encounters, CCP plans dont end there, they go a bit further and possibly include a cloak nerf, basically one of the last resorts to interrupt pve or ambush ratters in backwater systems.
There IS much ISK to be had.


The day CCP nerf's cloaky camping will be the day I get a fozzie rocks tattoo on my forehead