EVE General Discussion

Try reading the rest of it.

PvE only exists in Eve in the broadest sense of the word. The results of PvE generally end up on the market in one form or another, and with a mostly player controlled economy, that is PvP. The fact that you can't see this doesn't make it untrue.

The only thing that proves is that people earn money by shooting at red crosses, and a lot of that is done to finance and facilitate PvP. It's a means to an end.

On that I agree but theres a 90% chance it's for different reasons.

Where did I say it wasn't?

Being a source of finance to facilitate other activities makes it practically essential, the fact that some people do it for reasons other than the ones CCP appear to have included it for, doesn't mean that it requires working on to the detriment of the core game concepts.

They tried that already, WiS looked very much to a PvE oriented direction; look how well that went.

I agree, there is more activity than 12 months ago BUT that activity and Fozziesov does not open up opportunities for newcomers.

The nature of the mechanics (especially initial invulnerability and defensive indexes) is a huge barrier for newcomers.
The smart alliances have positioned them selves well to maintain their existence and possibly if the release of Fozziesov were to be delayed for another 2 or 3 months, you may see more new alliances jostling for a place. Once it is released, the barriers to establishing new sov become far higher.
Unoccupied sov will be relatively easy to flip but flipping sov is just the beginning and the existing groups are going to want as little competition (and as many killmails) as possible so will ensure they use their, currently fairly bored membership, to keep newcomers from getting so established as to become, competition.

The major problem with the new sov mechanics is the ability for blobs to dominate simply by using a blob. 1,000 or 2,000 member alliances could hold their own and win against equal numbers but those same groups will have no chance against the overwhelming numbers some of the existing groups can field.

This creates two problems, both of which limit the ability of new groups establishing sov;
1 - Smaller groups wanting to take sov will be faced with, going after space that is not close enough to the giant coalitions so all they become is content for a blob.
2 - Smaller groups will have limited opportunities not near the blobs and so are continually fighting to keep space every other small group wants. Not a bad thing;

BUT
Eve history continually shows one thing, bigger wins. So the small groups get bigger, to take the small amount of space available but by getting bigger that small amount of space won't support them, so they start pushing out the smaller guys around them by forming even bigger blobs.
A year from now the map may have a few new colours on it but the overall picture will be the same as now. As is now, no-one will "go to war" because they have nothing to gain but a lot to lose.

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Personally sold off 5 of mine and 3 are un-subbed, although I do log in daily with a couple of my remaining alts (manufacturing and market alts), actual game play is far from previous years.
The same amount of players with less alts still means less activity overall.

NB; A couple of tweaks to Fozziesov could make all the difference to how the sov map looks but that is where CCP drew the line. Being aware of the possible repercussions from a development group not in their employ that controls so much content must be hard to deal with.

And you just missed how many times I've asked, in this thread alone, that PvErs are given tools to:

- generate PvE content through NPC interaction
- unconsensually PvP other players through PvE

So, go back to square one. You know nothing of what I want.

I'm intrigued, please explain how that would work.

Firstly that's already present, it's called selling your PvE rewards in a player driven economy, that said how would you go about expanding such a thing?

Given your posting here and elsewhere I have a fair idea, and I want no part of it.

It has been improved and expanded with the 'core concepts' of the game in mind. The addition of Wormholes, Incursions, Drifters and Burner Missions as well as Hacking & PI are all PVE. They scale in terms of rewards based upon how much risk you are willing to take by travelling away from 'safe' areas.

The problem with the request for 'more/better PVE content' in this thread is that the expectation is that this content should be riskless so more people can sit mindlessly pumping out ISK in highsec with as little interraction with anyone else as possible. Apparently this will bring in more subs, have no effect on inflation and these new grinders will be welcomed lovingly by the existing playerbase as our saviours.

There's also a major problem here with perceiving these activities as eating into ISK pumping per hour, as per this post. Which pretty much summarises the problem; people have a perceived ISK/hr formula which dicates how much 'fun' they are having, and we're not killing them fast enough to make a dint in it.


Citation please.


I'm not hearing any complaints from lowsec residents. More variety would be great, and I'm sure no one would turn it down, but people running level 5s are printing ISK. Don't speak for lowlifers, they can speak for themselves.

Do you knhow do work collectible card games? Each card is an NPC with certain stats and powers, which come with an associated cost. Certain cards are specially rare or powerful, and anyway having a good deck for each purpose is necessary to win the game.

That could fit into any MMO, but EVE is a specially suit game as NPC are non-existant as game entities and EVE players surely could come with wicked ways to use those NPCs against other players, or in their favor.

As a bonus, the combat mechanic would include spawning missions which would be assigned, double-blind, to other PvErs who would obtain them from NPC agents. Those missisns could have different outcomes, from total success to total failure, for additional challenge.

Now say that the simpler NPcs, the lower-level cards, whereo btainable through the current PvE mechanics, and then you would have a natural answer to "what do you do after doing the current PvE?"

Players woul keep doing PvE rather than quit. And the game would be more interestin if everyoen had the chance to use his preferred playstyle against those who don't share it.

Firstly that's already present, it's called selling your PvE rewards in a player driven economy, that said how would you go about expanding such a thing?[/quote]

Infludencing other players by adding new rules or twistign he current ones. All the way from holdign them under interrogation for fiveminues when they undock, to intercepting their clone transfer procedure and destroy 1,000,000 random SP, potentially disabling several skills depending on those. Just be creative. How many ways can you think of mssing with someone who messed with you? There's a NPC who can do it... for the right price. If you find him, increase his power and keep him alive from assassination attempts (with support from other NPCs).


BTW: I talked about adding more Level 4s as instance of something which would call back players so CCP gained time before crashing. Simply put, and with some napkin calculations, EVE loses 6 PvErs for each PvPr who quits the game**. The answer is not do more and better for PvPrs, but try and do for PvErs what CCP did for PvPrs for years upon years. And meanwhile, callin back thoe 6-to-1 would have an impact in CCP's bottom lin and available resources. More subscribers are always good even i they come to do some PvE...


** PvErs outnumber PvPrs by 2 to 1, and the average tenure of a PvEr is 1/3 that of a PvPr (2 years versus 6 years).

Haven't exactly been keeping up on my stats since my second kid was born a little bit ago, but doesn't concurrency drop literally every summer?

And this right here proves that you hate the player.
That it's about punishing *the player*.

This kind of person are you.

When will you ever stop being such a hatefull and bad person ?

h1Z1 is gonna kill EVE! damn zombies!