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Forget renting. Extortion is where it's at now.

"Small Group" sets up shop. Reavers, PL, BL, NPC Dwellers (pick one, or more than one) extract bribes from "Small Group" to not reinforce their **** every day, forever.

Sounds fun.

This thread is saltier than the black sea. I'm loving the tears and rage.

Triple 8 snipe

we'll still be here. Most likely a lot smaller space, but assuming systems are changed to support more most of us can and will stick it.

It gets pretty boring up here in branch to be honest. Might be nice to see some groups come and muscle in.

Only way I see us folding is if goons decide to reset everyone and put their sights on the north.

have you tried having fun

instead of having the 4 hour window of doom that alliance can set themselves i have an idea so that more timezones can actually play the sov game.

in a target system you have 2 different types of anomalies we'll call them large and small for lack of a better name.

there are 2 large and 6 small anomalies.

within the anomaly there is a structure that you have to put your entosis link on, for small anoms it takes 5 mins to activate and 15 for the large anom.

to make a system vulnerable you have to activate 2 large or 6 small anoms or a combination of the 2 - total time wise it takes 30mins without interruption to make a system vulnerable.

the small anoms despawn every 3 hours and the large every 6 hours - this is to prevent people making bookmarks that would carry over for several days.

the idea of this is to 1) allow fighting for sov in all timezones 2) still allow small groups of players to attack sov

once a structure is reinforced then it comes out within that 4 hour primetime that is set by the alliance

i would also maybe insert a mechanic that allows the attacker to effect the timer for the structure once it is reinforced to make it better for the attacker.

True : 3 i hope it will tranform FCON and other bear alliances into some thing better, with more pvp focus.

I much prefer to have a larger window of vulnerability based on system activity:

A heavily used system should have a small (4hr) window of vulnerability.
An unused system should have a large (12hr) window of vulnerability.

I think most "players" (defined as those who replied in this thread) knew the goal of these change is to give power to local alliances, so the Prime Time would not be a bad idea. Note also the 4 ours of Prime Time can be non-consecutive, which means you can set 2 hours in US and 2 hours of EU, etc.



I don't think the goal was ever to make small alliances equally powerful to the large alliance in term of ability to occupy and defend a system. The goal is to make it increasingly hard to hold large number of systems without local occupants and defenders, so large entities will have to prioritize their holdings, which then causes the smaller alliances to strike out to hold those less desirable systems.

This patch makes it nearly worthless (save for POS BASH) to log in supers or dreads. j

Let's see what some fun scenarios will happen if you attempt to use supercaps and capitals in this new sov:

Scenario 1:

Attacker comes and starts entosis link on structure. Want to use your caps to defend against the initial entosis link? Nope, never-mind too slow, you'll never be able to get there in the minutes it takes to reinforce, and even if you do get there in time and your alliance drops a cap fleet on grid near the attacker's target structure -- JUST KIDDING -- the attackers were entosis linking a bait structure, the structure they really wanted to reinforce was in another constellation. Have fun trying to come and stop this one with your caps *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal. and half your fleet (read: supers and titans) can't gate jump. Congratulations you've just wasted an hour of your life moving a capital fleet and then waiting for space aids to go away.

Scenario 2:

Your structure is reinforced and it is now in the "command node" part of the new sov mechanics. Your alliance has prepared though and has two moderate size sub-cap fleets in addition to a good size supercap/cap fleet to help capture the nodes. Your FC finds the first node first and your subcap fleet gets on grid only to find the attackers have arrived first. It's a close fight so your alliance calls for 1/2 the capital fleet to jump in. As soon as the enemy sees the capitals land, they turn tail with minimal loses and head to the next command node two jumps away. Your capital ships *Snip* Please refrain from using profanity. ISD Ezwal. and your supercaps can't jump gates, but you have to send your sub-caps regardless or you'll lose the next node. Now your supercap/capital fleet is sitting, without subcap support, in the first command node essentially doing nothing while they wait for their space aids to go away.

It's OK your FC says: we have more capitals and another subcap group. Great! So your fleet gets to the next node but the attackers have large numbers so you are forced again to drop the rest of your capitals/supercaps to guarantee that you'll hold the command node. When the enemy attackers see your second capital fleet land, they again immediately "LOL" in local and go to the next node with their entire force.

Now your alliance has two split capital groups with no or little subcap support (because you need to compete for the other nodes) sitting in space with their space aids. You might say: "so what, your now have won a whopping 2 combat nodes man!" But, meanwhile the attackers are loling around the constellation going to the next node with all their forces still intact and with no capitals (still potentially in reserve) and don't give a flying f*ck about your two capital groups because there are EIGHT more nodes to take and they can just LOL out and peace if you bring your big guns.


You can take the fundamentals of these scenarios and slightly change them, but the impacts on supercap and capital use is the same: what is the point of using supercaps or dreads? If there are always at least 10 command nodes (with the potential of there being many more) why even bother? What logical attacker or defender would even bother trying to use supercaps to defend 1 or 2 nodes when there's 8 more to mess with and dropping your supercaps on any 1 or 2 nodes would leave them in an exposed postion.

I dont know how to fix it but there NEEDS to be a valid reason/opportunities to use supercaps and dreads and titans.