EVE General Discussion

not enough seven year old 4chan memes and too much articulation 1/10

p.s. i literally fell asleep reading the OP and woke up only to post this smug passive aggressive reply

You know, I think someone should ask CCP how they would feel about losing 100k accounts. My guess is, they're response would not be what the OP thinks.

This is another classic tactic of the highsec miner. They realize they have no counter-argument. They're guilty. Their only recourse is to create a distraction that prevents people from focusing on the highsec miner problem.

In other words, you're trying to justify your own bad behavior by pointing to someone else's bad behavior.

If we followed your "reasoning" to its logical conclusion, we could never kill the highsec miners because first we would need to go attack the highsec missioners. And we could never kill them because we need to first eliminate the alleged botters in nullsec, and so on, and so on...

The rational thing is to focus on killing all of the highsec miners. After they're all gone, we can handle whatever problem is left. Until then, deal with it.

Of course there's good reason to believe highsec miners are the worst of the worst. They are natural botters, and as I proved in the Manifesto, they all want to be botters. The whole point of mining in highsec, as opposed to nullsec or even lowsec, is to be able to mine AFK. While it's theoretically possible that someone is running a bot in nullsec, if it were so practical, wouldn't all of the bots be in nullsec--where the most valuable ore/ice is located? But they're not. They're in highsec, where people get to be AFK and pretend they're invincible. And unlike people who run missions or incursions, no one enjoys mining. There's a reasonable argument to be made that no one should enjoy missions, but there are some who get a cheap thrill out of it like you would by stomping a Koopa Troopa. But no one enjoys mining. It's all about botting.

It makes you bigankual. Now the question is whether you are a primarily ganker bigankual which makes you sexy, or a primarily miner bigankual which makes you an abomination that should be wiped out of highsec.

tl;dr for OP: I'm totally biased, but my arguments here are totally objective. Furthermore, I am 100% right, and nobody can even argue with my perfect unbiased logic. Excuse me while I go polish my knob to my killboard.

They are chillies. No matter how long winded or fanciful your wording is, chillies are still chillies. Dressing chillies in fancy dressing and passing it off as carrots is useless. Now you might ask why pass off chillies as carrot in the first place? Its human nature to cast their action in a more flattering light. After all carrots sound more palatable than Chillies.

Now you would ask "Why use chillies in the first place?" Well chillies is easier to "get" cost and effort wise. It caused a lot of grief and tears. After all chillies is very very hot! So hot that even Concord will come a calling. But nevertheless a lot of people still like chillies as the OP indicated.

Me? I like to call a carrot, a carrot and a chilly, a chilly...........giving 2-3 pages worth of excuses is just not my style!

Why do you persist? Why trouble yourself with such gusto on behalf of wind-blown sand, which fate will only settle somewhere else when the elements retire? Why wave in endless frustration, after the whip has unwound and the prod is broken, that cattle continue to step in their own ****, or that dog's lick up their own? Who questions such things? You only manage to demean your own intelligence by applying so much effort to such a whimsical cause. Apply your efforts, to better returns, elsewhere. It's hard to find peace, when you are the artificer of your own trouble; why be like my little cousin, who turns off the Nintendo, pulling out the cartridge! because no one is playing his game the way he wants them to?

Let me guess, you're one of those "good miners" who never bots himself, hates the botters, etc. and we should all applaud you for it?

I'm so bored of the "good miner." Every highsec system, and every highsec belt, has its "good miner." The one who, when he sees his fellow miners getting eradicated, vigorously agrees that all the other miners are scum, and is totally on board with destroying them, but insists that he is just a wonderful, first-class miner and nobody should kill him. Well, let me tell you, if we made an exception for every "good" miner, there wouldn't be any miners left to shoot at. Which sort of misses the whole point.

Good post, if a little verbose, but it doesn't quite go far enough. See, AFK missioning, mining, PLEXing, et al are all part of the same problem and the location (high, low, null, wh) doesn't really make a lick of difference except in the false sense of security that CONCORD provides.

I can get behind mining, even highsec mining, I really can. Just not in its current form. If you're undocked you shouldn't be safe, and if I had my way stations themselves would be destructible too (making you unsafe even if you're logged off completely.) Oh, and highsec would be a whole lot smaller than it currently is.

In an ideal world, every single aspect of EVE would be considered PvP. Right now this holds true only from a very limited point of view (even if you're not directly flinging missiles at someone else, there's still market competition and roid depletion, although I admit the mission runners have it easiest as far as avoiding any human contact goes.) It should be the all-encompassing scope. Things are just too god damned broken right now on an economic level.

This thread isn't dead? But so long as the beast lives, let it be known I don't mine in the sense you mean. This isn't misdirection. This is just me wondering where your classification ends. I don't equip mining lasers, but I "mine" bounties, loot and salvage with cruise missiles. So really, what I'm asking I guess is where you draw the line. If you don't have an answer for that yet because you are still working on miners in highsec, so be it. But the answer isn't misdirection by claiming misdirection, it's that you don't have one or aren't willing to say.

Edit: Just a thought, In case you were under the impression I am attempting to debate the merits of PvE vs mining with you, i'm not. I see them as fundamentally similar but don't share your feelings. I'm not trying to debate or convince you of anything, just asking a question.

I've never seen so many assumptions in one OP