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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#461 - 2011-12-16 18:38:15 UTC
But then.... who's trolling who now?
Professor Alphane
Zombie Surplus
Mildy Unprofessional
#462 - 2011-12-16 18:42:19 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
But then.... who's trolling who now?



Not so much trolling rather a off-topic side disscusion on whether this thread is really as 'full of troll' as it first appears.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#463 - 2011-12-16 18:43:26 UTC
I marveled at the Ops stupidity.


Two seconds later I left the thread, never to give him a second thought ever more.







Op Success?
Nope. He got every mark wrong and clouded it in 7,000 words of trying to look smart. Everyone knows why the miners are getting ganked, people want targets and want to **** them off in the process. They think it is funny when someone who thinks they are safe goes kaboom.


That is it.
That is all.
Do I get a cookie?

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#464 - 2011-12-16 18:44:45 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I marveled at the Ops stupidity.


Two seconds later I left the thread, never to give him a second thought ever more.







Op Success?
Nope. He got every mark wrong and clouded it in 7,000 words of trying to look smart. Everyone knows why the miners are getting ganked, people want targets and want to **** them off in the process. They think it is funny when someone who thinks they are safe goes kaboom.


That is it.
That is all.
Do I get a cookie?


That's a lot of text to type in two seconds and/or after having left a thread

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#465 - 2011-12-16 18:47:34 UTC
See, the side topics have more actual content. The trolling was kind of like a BBQ. It's a reason to get together.
AllR Punished
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#466 - 2011-12-16 21:58:24 UTC
Holy ****, you literally just wasted your life.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#467 - 2011-12-16 22:22:29 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Then again, I read a thread by a hulk pilot whining about ganking right after reading this. So, yeah, I just might try it after I get some decent gunnery skills.


Better and more profitable ways to make a living in this game friend. Its too easy, too tempting, too uncouth to destroy for the sake of destruction in my opinion, be original and try to mix a little creation into your death and destruction you might find that in the balance of things is where true happiness lies.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#468 - 2011-12-16 23:27:39 UTC
Wall of Text hits you for 2,000,000 kinetic damage ... Your ship has been destroyed
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#469 - 2011-12-17 03:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
James 315 wrote:
Personally, I just find them easy to dislike.

Like the National Sozialists around 1940 find it easy to dislike Jude for no reason.

Easy targets which can be killed without risk.

Risk? Risk vis Reward?
Don't (wannabe) PvP player allways talk about this and claim it for their doing?

WHICH RISK?
Sec status? ROFL, they don't care!
ISK lose? ROFL, far to low to call it a risk!
Fear that their victims might turn the stick around? ROFL, they KNOW this will never happen as they KNOW industrial ships are a damn bad joke when it come to fitting posibilitys!

There is NO RISK in highsec ganking!

So once again all the words from highsec gankers are nothing but e-peen trolling.



PS: First of it's CCPs damn job to punish BOTs.
Second most BOTs are run by 00 Allys like Goons, XXXmafiaXXX, PL and all the rest.
So all you say is: The Mittani starts to hunt other peoples BOTs to get more income from HIS OWN BOTs!
And the real played Miners are just colateral damage :(.

All over highsec ganking is a mix of Mafia and National Sozialism.
And CCP allow it to happen!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

flank steak
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#470 - 2011-12-17 04:33:18 UTC
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#471 - 2011-12-19 01:43:25 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Easy targets which can be killed without risk.

Risk? Risk vis Reward?
Don't (wannabe) PvP player allways talk about this and claim it for their doing?

WHICH RISK?
Sec status? ROFL, they don't care!
ISK lose? ROFL, far to low to call it a risk!
Fear that their victims might turn the stick around? ROFL, they KNOW this will never happen as they KNOW industrial ships are a damn bad joke when it come to fitting posibilitys!

There is NO RISK in highsec ganking!
This is a very common misconception among highsec miners, so I'll go ahead and put a stop to it here. Ganking miners in highsec is the riskiest form of PvP available. If you attack a (non-flagged, non-wardec) target in highsec, it is extremely probable that you will end up getting your ship destroyed. The odds of being obliterated by CONCORD approach 100%. Yeah, I'd say that's kind of risky.

By comparison, most forms of PvP don't even come close. From my experience in nullsec fleet battles, there's a fair chance of being killed, but a decent chance of escaping alive--particularly if you're on the winning side. Roaming ops with scouts can be fairly safe, but if your scouts don't do their job it can go south quickly. Gatecamps are usually better managed and carry little risk unless you're willing to take on a break-out gang. There's no such thing as solo PvP so it's not worth mentioning.

But when you take on CONCORD...even a skilled pilot is almost certainly going down in flames. It's also erroneous to say that it's not "risk" if you're guaranteed to die. That makes no sense. How can someone with a 99% chance of dying be courageous, and someone with a 99.999...% of dying be cowardly?

I have to say it's pretty hilarious to see a highsec miner complaining that someone else isn't taking enough risk, when the only reason someone takes up highsec mining is because they can't handle risk. And, naturally, once people begin standing up to them, the miners freak out and cry to CCP.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#472 - 2011-12-19 03:40:16 UTC
And immediately, some things that were like scales fell from his eyes and his eyes were opened, and he arose and he was baptized.

ACTS 9:18

One day James, one day they will see. Blink
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Gebilde
Doomheim
#473 - 2011-12-19 04:17:44 UTC
Self-important, repetitive, incongruous and the more you go on about it the more pathetic it becomes, OP.

Judging by your appearance (irl) I would say that you are buried in self-loathing. You hate miner's avarice, their passion for ISK? Your noes betrays you, as you are quite clearly a Jew.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#474 - 2011-12-19 04:19:42 UTC
Gebilde wrote:
Your noes betrays you, as you are quite clearly a Jew.

you spelled 'nose' wrong in your anti semitic rant.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Gebilde
Doomheim
#475 - 2011-12-19 04:35:02 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gebilde wrote:
Your noes betrays you, as you are quite clearly a Jew.

you spelled 'nose' wrong in your anti semitic rant.



Merely pointing out the obvious, the mittani was mercilessly teased and nearly beaten to death on the school yard for being a Jew and now he bullies high-sec miners. He bullies them while citing anti-semitic stereotypes as justification. A pretty simple and pathetic victim complex.
Just Like Jew
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#476 - 2011-12-20 05:32:22 UTC
Gebilde wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gebilde wrote:
Your noes betrays you, as you are quite clearly a Jew.

you spelled 'nose' wrong in your anti semitic rant.



Merely pointing out the obvious, the mittani was mercilessly teased and nearly beaten to death on the school yard for being a Jew and now he bullies high-sec miners. He bullies them while citing anti-semitic stereotypes as justification. A pretty simple and pathetic victim complex.



..So that's whats been wrong with me this whole time =/
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#477 - 2011-12-20 23:01:32 UTC
To think there is one reason that people gank high sec miners is truely moronic.

Profit, LoLs, discouraging people from harvesting the resources you want to harvest...

I'm sure that some of the ganks are fueled by people that have Hulk BPOs and are looking to fuel demand.

I know poeple that mine a certain area, and hire mercanaries to drive out other crops that try to move in. Sometimes they use war decs, and other times just plain old ganks. I myself was in an industry corp that both used this tactic, and had it used against us.

And, I've even spoken with people that are PVPers that use alts to gank high sec miners in hopes those people will give up high sec mining and move out to low sec where they can more easily be killed. Sorry, but you are never going to get that to happen. These carebears will simply quit playing LONG before they move to low sec.

And, of course, some just do it to improve their kill board kill/loss ratios.


As for the OP... I actually read all of post 1, skimmed pages 2 and 3... and simply had to give up when he stated that high sec miners want to be machines. HA, HA, HA.

Dude, you need to spend some time talking to high sec miners. Here is what they actually want. A relaxed game that they can do while watching TV or just talking with freinds.

NOT EVERYONE plays the game to stiffen their Epeen by making other people's ships go boom.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#478 - 2011-12-22 18:24:48 UTC
Gebilde wrote:
Merely pointing out the obvious, the mittani was mercilessly teased and nearly beaten to death on the school yard for being a Jew and now he bullies high-sec miners. He bullies them while citing anti-semitic stereotypes as justification. A pretty simple and pathetic victim complex.
So this is a pretty good example of poor reading comprehension, or someone who simply couldn't be bothered to read my entire Manifesto before jumping to the conclusion that I'm The Mittani's alt. The anti-Semitism displayed in your posts is beneath comment, and that's saying a lot considering I'm willing to address highsec miners' concerns. Putting that aside, you apparently missed the following, which was in my OP:

James 315 wrote:
I want to be clear. These accusations are false. I am not now--nor have I ever been--an alt of The Mittani...Of course there have been rumors for many years, but in all that time not a single shred of evidence has been produced that I am The Mittani. Both The Mittani and I have explicitly stated that we are not the same person.
I'd say that's directly on point, wouldn't you? If you had bothered to read it, Gebilde, you would have saved yourself and the rest of the thread some time.

Having exploded the myth of althood, I'd also like you to reconsider your attitude. You can bash me all you like--I can certainly take it--but leave The Mittani out of this. Give the man his due respect, or at the very least, show some respect for the office of CSM Chairman.
WarFireV
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#479 - 2011-12-22 21:52:50 UTC
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#480 - 2011-12-23 11:02:56 UTC
Trolling alt is trolling.

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