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Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto.

First post
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#521 - 2012-02-08 20:27:51 UTC
Billions of potential customers?

Billions =greater than or equal to 2 billion...

Yep, Eve is just missing out on ExxonMobil level profits. Who knew that more than a quarter of the world just wishes they could play Eve, if not for the stupid bots!

Whilst I commend your perseverance, I sort of stopped reading at the "no one can argue my point".
We all know botters suck.

First come smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

Erisia Malaclypse
The Discordian Echo
#522 - 2012-02-08 21:07:30 UTC
Utter bollocks, OP.

Mildly entertaining bollocks, but bollocks nonetheless.. Cool

There are 5 reasons why you are wrong, but only the Goddess knows them all, the rest of us are just ShitHeads.

Praise the Holy Chao!
Asuka Solo
Tactical Narcotics Team
#523 - 2012-02-08 21:21:46 UTC
First its hulk interdiction.. then ice interdiction... now roid interdiction.

I smell massive ship and module price inflation with a hint of goon coming to a region near you.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

El Puerco
P.W. Minerals
#524 - 2012-02-08 22:30:14 UTC

Errare humanum est.

Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#525 - 2012-02-08 23:07:42 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Fascinating read, you could sell that story for RL money, perhaps you have a calling as a writer? However, like most situations, it is far more complicated than you present. Glad to see you enjoying the game.  George Carlin "They're Just Words."

iBlob TheBuilder
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#526 - 2012-02-09 01:22:03 UTC
Someone sure went off their meds.
Hans Zwaardhandler
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#527 - 2012-02-09 01:29:57 UTC
TL;DR version:

And tears were had by all.

Got fed up with mining after awhile; not enough isk/time return ratio, compared to missions. Until I can fly a Hulk in a fleet armored against attacks, I'll keep running missions.

Also, +1 to the OP for making a manifesto that less than a thousandth of a percent of people who frequent the EVE forums will read in it's entirety. +1 for the effort at least.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#528 - 2012-02-09 01:44:36 UTC
Tongue in cheek and great read for it. Those who missed out on the satire, oh well. I enjoyed thoroughly.

I do agree with the OP about that element of the game, I think people are getting sick and tired of reading the whine threads of some entitled players who have dropped into EVE from other games and expect to be wrapped in cotton wool like they were prior to finding their way here.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Sprite Can
#529 - 2012-02-09 01:53:20 UTC

Refreshing Lemon-Lime~

Sade Onyx
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#530 - 2012-02-09 11:02:43 UTC
All this presumes one thing:

The owner of the mining character has only one account and only does one activity with that one account.

Since we all know this to be utter nonsense then by proxy the entire article is also, utter nonsense. Hence, the article contradicts itself and thus completely dis-credits the author.

good game.

Alissa Solette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#531 - 2012-02-09 12:41:04 UTC
James 315 wrote:
That's the fundamental difference between the highsec miner and the suicide ganker. The gankers are human. The miners are bots. The miners are quite literally less than human. They deserve to be wiped out, every last one of them. To the extent that they still feel anything, it should only be fear, humiliation, and misery.

You, good sir, are an inspiration, a hero and a true visionary - even if you're a bit verbose. Lol
Acac Sunflyier
Pulling The Plug
#532 - 2012-02-09 13:00:21 UTC
At first I was like...

Then I was all "He's trolling"

Now I think he actually believes this.

He sounds a little crazy. Especially the part about how high sec miners have a special greed that's far more insidious than any other greed that exists in the game. Read the section again! It sounds paranoid.
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#533 - 2012-02-09 13:16:21 UTC
To say Hi-sec miners don't produce anything of value is totally wrong, they have produce something that it totally priceless in EVE.

Utterly self opinionated chumps like you.

But if you wish to spend you time in EVE just blowing yourself up then beating your meat soundly at the thought of it be my guest, as like any suicied bomber a totally pointless excersise that has no decernable effect on anything other than universal disgust, your agenda is based not on fact but on the base nature of your own character.

Griefer you are and always will be and are beneath contempt.
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#534 - 2012-02-09 13:42:37 UTC
I think most PvPers dislike random suicide gankers more than the carebears do. Suiciders run in with their calculated losses and 0 risk, attack a stationary target with no EHP or tank, and then try to pass themselves off as real PvPers, talking about their killboards like they actually compare to folks out in 0.0, who have killboards full of actual fights.

I'd love to see them open up more return combat options against gankers. I'd bet money that if CONCORD was removed entirely and highsec eliminated, the suiciders would be the first to quit the game when the alliances rolled in.


Ministry of Furious Retribution
#535 - 2012-02-09 15:30:05 UTC
If we hate miners because they have zero risk... (and I definitely do)
Suicide Gankers accepting calculable losses gives them zero risk and introduce risk to the miners...
Therefore suicide gankers have a risk free profession.

It's a bit paradoxical.
Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#536 - 2012-02-09 17:31:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Billionaire Carebear
PvC = Player Vs Carebear

Anybody know of the antithesis of this website?

I think the OP is an Anti Carebear. Good for him. We should find out which Anti Carebear he is.

EDIT:  George Carlin "They're Just Words."

Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#537 - 2012-02-09 17:33:42 UTC
Awesome. This thread again.

tl;dr 1/10
#538 - 2012-02-10 02:39:23 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Naturally, I have the greatest respect for The Mittani. Who doesn't? He is an inspiring figure to many. For a long time, people claimed that no Goon could ever be elected to the highest office in the Eve playerbase. The Mittani proved them all wrong. And he is very articulate.

And very long-winded apparently.

So much effort has gone into this troll. It did catch quite a few. 9/10
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#539 - 2012-02-10 05:49:25 UTC
Never thought such epic TDLR would be achieved in my life time. Truly, the moon landing has been finally one-up'ed.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC..

Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#540 - 2012-02-10 05:53:30 UTC
I seriously refuse to believe that all of the miners you encounter are what you seem to describe. I have gone out suicide ganking plenty of times, and I have encountered two types of miners:

1. Average noob who is in the mining transition phase before he moves on.
2. Bot farming isk for the average EVE player.

I have had fun with both, once killing an officer fitted retriever :P ( and sometimes killing the same Bot multiple times, but I honestly haven't met true veteran miners as you describe.

However, I have found that a very similar to you description of the ISK religion behavior occurs with mission runners. They are people, who have been playing this game for years with the single purpose of isk. I have seen faction fitted battleships and tengus, even 30bil+ battleships, floating around just doing missions. I have ganked these with great pleasure and profit multiple times and I find that they truly do follow that mentality.

I can recall a specific incident where me and a friend of mine, after popping a CNR with smartbombs in a mission using a covops, wardecced a 5-15man missioning corp, and we ended up stripping them of ALL their isk, and ALL their ships. These people did not know how to fight, or how to live. They threatened to fight us. We arranged a fight. We had 1 tempest and a Schimi hidden for backup. They brought 1 rook, because we killed everything else. He died, and the corp payed the ransom we put on them. They were shipless, and iskless.