Warfare & Tactics

The current 5 tiers works very good in our own warzone. We really do not see the huge fluctuations you guys do. Part of that is the lack of electronic warfare that makes you tear your hair out (see picture). In your warzone, two navy frigs working together, even active tanked and pvp fit, can bring down commander objectives in less than 10 minutes while roaming. It's a great past-time and you find some nice fights. Like i said, most of these 'issues' your people see down there are problems natively found within the structure of access to easy, farmable, content. There is really no contest were we to argue the differences there. LP should not be an issue that threatens content, or make people bling fit a single ship, whelp/win, high five and then call it a night. But that is what being miserably rich does. People do not value the struggle or the losses.

The current point system is already based on system control AND upgrade level. If you add them up, you will see each level is independent and jointly counted along with faction sovereignty of the accumulated systems that are blue. So, this already plays a part in being spread thin while you are 'winning', but we in Gal/Cal warzone have a few more systems in our radar that makes higher tiers, on top of other things, more difficult to achieve by percentage control.

We have had discussions about the rats. They affect pvp. We do not want them to be buffed or to overwhelm a pilot that seeks to bait a fight within a plex. We all know what tends to happen when we take fights on the gate. As for POS stats ... we see them mostly for moon mining and offensive assaults. Sometimes for POS shield surfing boosting. I myself would like to see reduced manufacturing requirements, like the new Null sec bonuses I heard about, but upgrades is a huge topic. And I'm not a fan of off-grid boosting, but a resource is a resource and boosting bonuses cannot be ignored.

Now about system defense. Well, to be short. Defend your system! Kill the farmers without mercy. Insta-lock camp the gates. Pod a few of them and they will avoid farming where you live. Fight off an offensive with your own men, and not with NPC's. Truly, there has to be a small benefit for low-contested defensive plexing, but we'll see if the auto-donate of dplexing catches on; there is currently code that pulls LP from the iHub. It shouldn't be that difficult to feed LP INTO it with defensive plexing too, which nets you miserable LP but helps maintain stability.

No ******* need all of that , just the dual timer ( 2 ennemy Npcs) in every Plex.

novice and Small plex for LP purpose only don't make them count for occupancy.
medium and large for LP and occupancy ( double the amount of LP for these, and buff the NPC a little )

Occupancy = only number of systems held matters no more updates ( or keep the update to improve systems ( buff FW npc, more WHs,more rats , ( a little 0.0 sov system)

1. So.. Pure t1/faction wars? I'll pass. Not going to stop farmers, I farm (dplex) in a venture and oplex in an incursus (novice)

I couldn't be bothered to read these post but title brought me in so forgive me if I'm repeating anything anyone else already said.

1 - Remove FW mission completely.

2 - Increase LP Payout for kills on hostile militia by something like 300-500%

3 - Allow LP to be taxable by a corporation.

4 - Get a lot of bacon.

Conclusion - Step 1 + 2 changes FWs meta away from alt farmville with a few PvPers mixed in towards a more PvP centric area where fighting and winning fights pays directly.
Step 3 gives FW corps a viable income stream comparable to that of highsec missions or nullsec anom runners, allowing FW corps to fund some basic corp benefits easily.
Step 4 is always good, especially when crispy.

Lazer you later.

1. Allows losing side to "win" by cutting off all isk making activities of the victor.
2. Sure, why not.
3. I personally like the individual nature of LP accumulation, but can understand why others want to pool that resource.
4. Bacon is over rated. I want Quafe.

Varrinox. You have to understand the problem is not with the missions themselves, but how, and with what, they are run. That the method used is relatively safe and would require less attention than highsec missioning if people didn't have to dscan. This is where people tie in dplexing, but stabbed lows enable farmers to hit novices and smalls - which is what led others to suggest these not pay out lp.

The problem is not the missions themselves but the hulls

The high payout of tier V or IV will no longer be an issue if you change what enables people to donate lavishly (Sb missioning)

The farmers with stabs get caught by stab hunters with multiple points fit. Bombers you can't do much about if they aren't careless and they have the largest impact.

Leave the missions, they are good. Remove the problem: selfish solo LP farming that contributes nothing to the war effort or to content.

Unless you can suggest a way to reward kills other than to simply say, Reward PvP! Stick to bacon and shearing sheep.

I'm going to say something that many of you will disagree with: I hate the changes that they made to FW plexes, and I miss farmers. Initially I was excited by the changes, because I shared the farmer hate, but seeing how they've played out has changed my perspective. The changes and the new generation of farmers that came with them have stopped the pendulum.

Now, I say this as someone who's been in FW for a long time, who doesn't personally care about getting rich from LP anyways, and as a pvp pilot. The warzone has become stagnant for a bunch of reasons, farmers are the main culprit I think. All that the changes have really done is push them into defensive plexes, which just entrenches warzone control. The way that the pendulum used to swing was roughly like this:

(Oh, and because I'm an optimistic sort in this example calmil has recently hit T4, while Galmil is all sad in t1)

1) Hit t4, all the space is ours, roll around in LP for a week or two.
2) Gals get holed up in a few systems, there's not a lot of space for us to oplex, fights are everywhere.
3) Gals have a huge amount of room to oplex unmolested, and their farmers go nuts doing this.
4) a week or two pass, and systems left and right are hitting vulnerable thanks to Gallente farmers (the pendulum is gunna drop)
5) Now when the Gals want to try and push a fight, they have a great option for their giant ishtar fleets: ihubs!
6) After flipping a few hubs Gallente start LP dumping enough to push them up to t2/3
7) Mass flood of new gal farmers...

Rinse, lather, repeat.

Here's the thing. The changes have really just pushed farmers into dplexing, which just kinda entrenches things. It used to be the case that holding onto vast swaths of systems was difficult, but that doesn't seem to be the case these days (at least not as difficult). And this one can't be pinned down on gal superiority or anything like that because that wouldn't explain why backwater calmil systems aren't hitting vulnerable.

Now days when I go out, it's pretty rare to see a vulnerable system. And I know that this isn't the case because of dedicated pvp pilots dplexing things; it's farmers. Back in the day, it wasn't rare to end a random cruiser fleet by shooting an ihub, because why the hell not? These days if we want to take a system, it also requires a dedicated offensive plexing effort. Which I mean, yeah, that's cool if you're xgal, but it's just not fun without a good goal. A tier push no longer happens naturally, it's a huge undertaking. And it's not even like these changes have put warzone control into the hands of the players, they just switched which systems farmers hit up. Personally, I'd rather have backwater systems hitting vulnerable thanks to farmers, rather than staying contested. A t3/4 push used to almost be an inevitable consequence, but that's no longer the case. The pendulum doesn't swing anymore, we have to push it.

I certainly notice a decent amount of Gallente farmers too, but yeah, calmil attracts an ungodly amount... trust me, we don't like em either. I was just trying to point out that the problem of farmers has just been relocated, not solved. And that the relocation makes for a less exciting warzone. It would be better I think if it were a directed effort by a military group to keep the system dplexed like they do for their home systems. In both systems the pendulum is basically at the mercy of the farmers to a pretty substantial extent. I just mean, at least the old farmers created some content in the form of vulnerable systems instead of just keeping **** stable. Sounds like we're on pretty much the same page about this one.

Best solution is to somehow axe farmers all together, but I doubt that'll happen.

Add some check to defensive plexing as per offensive.

Ships with stabs and regular cloaks fitted can enter plexes but will not trigger the timer.

This may not remove farmers entirely but will make them largely indistinguishable from regular low-sp players and they will have to expose themselves to at least some risk. Even if the main expense for them losing a ship is their reship time more than the ship itself.

My 13,000 kills called. They wanted to point out how misinformed, oddly bitter and random your post was.