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The type of person that likes to PvP and the type of person that gets off doing industrial stuff are typically not the same person at least from most of the players I've met.

You can't just run around to different null stations and pick up mods and stuff to fit out a ship like you can in high sec. Sure you will maybe increase the amount of stuff on a local market to some degree but you will make living in null significantly more difficult. There is no way that every station in game will be stocked up or that you will be able to fit out a ship in most null sec systems completely with stuff off the market.

You've just nerfed scrap metal from melting loot so people that rated and used loot to melt and make ships and ammo etc. are already having issues.

I am guessing that if these changes go through that to live in null you will have to be self sustaining meaning that you'll have to build your own ships, your own mods, your own ammo, your own rigs. This means stock piling BPCs and having to wait for jobs to finish before you can fly a ship. Also it means flying meta 0 mods since that's what you can make.

To be in null you'll have to have both industrial and combat skills pretty high. The barrier to entry for newer players will be raised. I think less people will live in null not more or at least less players in deep null.

CCP why does it seem that when thinking about changing game play you seem to more often choose the stick instead of the carrot?

You could fix (some of) the JF tears by making it so that you need to infini-point it with a Hictor - after all like Titans (T2 Dreads) and supers (T2 carriers) the JF is a T2 capital ship. The rest you can fix by leaving JF Jump Range alone.

Also I am also not sure what the mechanics will be while cynoing out under gate-cloak. Instead of an instawarping inty you'd have insta-jumping JFs. You'd also have lots of probes on regional gates so does a JF get a cloak?

Hmmm what is it with CCP and freighters - first it was the Freighter nerf that was not a nerf with +3 capital rigs which lasted all of what 2 days??? ... and now this.

This is kind of a terrible plan and whoever came up with it is the aids that is killing ccp from the inside. Please quit your job and gtfo of nerfing my game tia

For crying out loud! First wormholes, now this. CCP PLEASE!! I'M BEGGIN YOU! Please, fire the person that convinced everyone at CCP that the RIGHT AND ONLY way to solve game's problems is to ADD MORE ROUTINE IN IT!

P.S. But if your long-term development plan is to close Eve Online project... It's all make sense actually. Good job!

You realise that the ideea of having large stating points is simply wrong without the ability to feed the points with the tools you need? So that much for this ideea. But is also true that once you win a point, this will be a clear win since enemy won't have the option to reship or resupply in a timely manner. So after few attempts, large battles will die. And after a time all the brawlers will rely on ppl like GG to sponsor them to get ships to blow up. And in MOA specific case to run with them.

I see where you're going with that, but just FYI, the only T2 capital ship is the Jump Freighter (no other "capital" requires moongoo or tech 2 capital components or a tech 2 BPC).

Ok so here is my post again summarizing everything.

But first let me say, everyone that sells their mains and cancels their accounts before this lands is an idiot and will regret doing that, because these changes ARE NOT FINAL CCP always reserves the right to change things before deployment.

That being said im going to list off the list of compromises and counter proposal to CCP


1. Jump range issue.

5 ly cap is bad. We can all agree on that.

Solution #1 - scaled jump range for each type of ship I will list max ranges. which should be fair. And to keep it simple i used whole numbers.

Carriers, JF, Rorquals - 12 LY

Dreads - 10 LY

Super Carriers - 7 ly

Titans - 5 ly

Solution #2

A new item in either a mid slot, low slot or rig slot; Maximum 1 fitted at a time that provides a bonus to jump range. Bonus will be based on the ship you are flying and will be % based T2 versions of this module will be a 50% increase of the T1 version.


2. Jump Fatigue

Cooldown timers are good, but the current math is a bit extreme.

Solution #1 - scaled fatigue based on the ship you are flying. I will use the same formula as a base for the adjustments.

Titan - 1 + (LY traveled * 0.1) - standard ccp formula
Super Carrier - 1 + (LY traveled * 0.15)
Dread - 1 + (LY traveled * 0.2)
Carrier - 1 + (LY traveled * 0.25)
JF, Rorqual, Black ops - 1 + (LY traveled * 0.35)

This favors logistics ships over combat ships, because lets face it logistics is a pain in the arse at times.

Solution # 2 - New implants and boosters that reduce the amount of fatigue you get from the distance traveled.

Names for implants might include, Alarm Clock, Yawn, Dream
Booster names might include, NoDoze, Surge, Jolt, Coffee, Tweek, or SUPER CAFFINATED QUAFE!

However there needs to be a downside to boosters, I think an appropriate downside is significant increase in isotope and cap usage.

Soultion # 3 - Make the fatigue a flat rate base on the type of jump.

Type may include
Local - within constellation
Constellational - within the region but outside the constellation
Regtional - outside your region.

Solution # 4 - Make an absolute cap on how much fatigue you can get, cause as it stands you can get several years of fatigue within a week.

3. Cap ships using gates

This goes against EvE canon set forth in the chronicles. Stop that!

EDIT : - make a module that allows them to use a gate, and maybe put a fuel cost per jump


4. Pod jumping

Get your ship into low sec with a nice clone vat on it have all your new members do that. Fly out to null space and then have them self destruct. And set up regular jump schedules.


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To my fellow EvE players, these are some fairly balanced solutions. If you like them PLEASE quote which ones you like and say I like this for balance or something along those lines.

Whining, saying you quit blahh blahh blahh will not get CCP to listen. If you want them to listen you must always present your case like a lawyer and convince them why their idea is bad. I have presented my case, and I have offered several solutions which go along with CCP's ideas but are not as harsh as cutting off everyone's limbs.


SO AGAIN,

If you like any of these ideas, quote them, post them and offer feed by of why this or this isnt a good solution.


Thank you for your time today and CCP I do hope you will consider these solutions as a more reasonable balance to nerfing power projection and capital projections.

Regards
Obsidian Hawk
Capital pilot since 2008

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You know that if you click on the blue "Dev" tag on each post that you progress to the next blue post, right? Right??

I really like how the changes look so far. Obviously some polish is needed but thank you for being bold.

2 quick points of note.

I'm worried about Black ops ships with the current iterations. Not reducing the range to 5ly is great, however that also means that black ops pilots are capable of building fatigue at a much quicker rate. I understand the need to reduce fast travelling around the universe but black ops by nature should be a little more forgiving in this.


My play style is very nomadic. As a mercenary we deploy all over New Eden using carriers to move fit and rigged ships. Obviously moving this way is going to be more difficult, especially long distances. I totally get the ultimate goal here is to nerf the way large capital fleets can deploy across the universe quickly. Increasing the carriers ship maintenance bay would have no effect on the way large capital fleets can deploy, but would provide a bit of a break to the amount of return trips for people using carriers as a way to move rigged ships.